At 10:36 AM 12/28/2008, James Gilmour wrote:
Kristofer Munsterhjelm  > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:45 AM
> The UK is also parliamentary, so I suppose there would be few places
> where you could actually have a runoff.

Given that all members of the UK Parliament are elected from single-member districts (UK "constituencies") and that all districts were contested by at least three candidates (max 15 in 2005), it would be theoretically possible to have run-off elections in all 645 districts. In the 2005 general election, 425 of the districts were "won" with a plurality of the votes not a majority, so that
could have been 425 run-offs.  Quite a thought!

Sure. Consider the implications. Most of those who voted, in those districts, did not support the winner. Odd, don't you think, that you imagine an outcry over a "weak Condorcet winner," when what is described is, quite possibly, an ongoing outrage.

Is it actually an outrage? It's hard to tell. It's quite possible that the majority was willing to accept the winner; that is normally the case, in fact. Bucklin would have found some majorities there. IRV probably -- in spite of the theories of some -- probably a bit fewer. In nonpartisan elections, IRV almost never finds a majority when one is not found in the first round, but those were, I presume, partisan elections, where finding a majority is more common.)

However, consider this: the Plurality voting system (FPTP) encourages compromise already. There would have been more sincere first preference votes. My guess, though, is that the use of, say, Bucklin, would have resulted in *at least* half of those pluralities becoming a majority, possibly more. However, this is the real effect of the system described:

In maybe one election out of 10, were it top two runoff, the result would shift, which, I contend, is clearly a more democratic result. There might be a slightly increased improvement if the primary method weren't top two Plurality, majority win, but a method which would find a Condorcet winner or at least include that winner in a runoff. How much is it worth to improve the result -- it could be a very significant improvement -- in 10% of elections?

I'd say it's worth a lot!

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