On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Terry Bouricius wrote:

Jonathan makes an important point. The term "spoiler"  means a minor
candidate with a small percentage of the vote, who changes which of the other candidates wins by running. But Kathy and some others wish to expand the definition to include a front-runner. (Note that these IRV opponents
refer to the top plurality vote-getter who narrowly lost the runoff in
Burlington, Kurt Wright, as a "spoiler" who prevented the candidate in
third place from winning. This is a dynamic worthy of analysis, but the
word "spoiler" is never used by the media or political scientists when
describing the plurality leader.

Terry, i am just as guilty of that as anyone.

i know that, strictly speaking, the "spoiler" is supposed to be a candidate with essentially no chance of winning. and it might be their very intent (usually for personal, not policy reasons) to run *specifically* to spoil the election, to defeat the otherwise winner.

if you look up "spoiler effect" in Wikipedia (such an authoritative reference) they say it's "the effect a minor party candidate with little chance of winning can have on a close election, in which their candidacy results in the election being won by a candidate dissimilar to them rather than a candidate similar to them. The minor candidate is often referred to as a 'spoiler.' "

true Kurt Wright was no "minor candidate". the fact that the top three candidates were *all* significant in their 1st-choice base and that the Condorcet candidate was less so than the other two, is at the root to how the IRV failed in 2009 to elect the CW. that, plus the fact that the two non-plurality candidates were more similar to each other than the plurality leader, so no matter who it was that got to the final round, the plurality leader would lose the final round, those two facts is what is at the core of all the controversy in Burlington regarding IRV. i believe the first fact (IRV failing to elect Condorcet winner) is a real problem and that the second fact (IRV failing to elect the Plurality winner) is precisely why we adopted IRV in the first place. to argue against the second is to re- visit the main argument we might have had in 2005 (but IRV was pretty well adopted without a fuss in 2005).

but there *are* three new issues that are legit arguments for how well IRV did last March in Burlington:

1. Thwarted Majority. what happens when a CW exists and the election method in force does not elect the CW.

2.  Spoiler.  what you brought up now, more discussion below.

3. Encouraging strategic voting. what happens when one votes sincerely and finds that that sincere vote has harmed their political interest.

those are about the "Principles 1, 2, and 3" of my little paper you're familiar with.

we know that the IRV opponents in Burlington (that wish to return to FPTP) are mistaken in thinking that their candidate, the Plurality winner, should have been elected. that would thwart the majority in Burlington to even a greater degree. this is exactly why we adopted IRV in the first place and to revert to the "old law" is to ignore or reject those very real concerns (the minority candidate splitting the majority and getting elected without majority support). but IRV also failed about that, just not as much as FPTP would or Delayed-Runoff might have.

as for Principle 3, what IRV did was transfer the burden, of having to strategically consider one's first choice to avoid electing one's worst choice, from the majority to a minority. it is closely related to the spoiler effect. with FPTP, one has to consider expressing their sincere "protest vote" for a non-credible candidate, if they think that their credible fall-back candidate is in danger of losing to their worst choice. in last year's IRV, a large contingent of supporter of the Plurality winner had marked their ballots that the IRV winner was their worst choice. but marking their ballots sincerely for their 1st choice actually caused their worst choice to win. they cannot be happy about that and, if IRV survives, must consider that problem in 2005 and may feel called upon to vote strategically for their fall-back candidate as their first choice.

as for the "spoiler", evaluating whether or not some candidate is credible or not can be a subjective evaluation. with that in mind, defining "spoiler" as "a candidate with 'with little chance of winning' that, if removed from the election, changes who the winner is", that definition is not as objective as defining a "spoiler" as "a candidate who *loses* that, if removed from the election, changes who the winner is." Kurt Wright *does* satisfy the latter definition, objectively. whether he satisfies the earlier definition is a matter of judgment.

but we know that the whole point in having IRV (or some other ranked- ballot election) vs. FPTP was to *avoid* electing the Plurality leader when that leader lacks majority support. That's the whole point. and for the anti-IRVers to complain that it worked in 2009 to that end is for them to just forget the reasons we adopted it in the first place. people who oppose IRV because it didn't elect the Condorcet candidate should understand that FPTP is even worse in that regard.

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