This reads as a valuable demonstration of the value of Condorcet.

Here we have the pro- & anti- Perata halves of Oakland competing. If they win, the anti-Perata half are also competing as to their minor differences.

This is only intelligent competition, NOT gaming.

In IRV, order of processing the same ballots would differ. First decide which half of the top rank of the antis wins the right for total antis to compete with pro-Peratas.

Since they had more top ranks, they are likely stronger as total antis, but this is only odds, not certainty.

Agreed Perata would have won in Plurality BECAUSE voters cannot express their desires as completely there.

Dave Ketchum

On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

Sand W wrote:
Here are the results on an actual election: http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table <http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table> Perata (or maybe someone in his camp) accuses the other candidates of "gaming the system" by promoting each other as 2nd choices. Some challengers tried to do that to IRV-leader Kriss Worthington too, but he won by a landslide.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough data here to check who would won under other methods, except for Plurality (where Don Perata would have won). To find out the social order for a Condorcet method, one would need the Condorcet matrix, and for most other methods, the raw ballot data itself.

What you could really do if you are serious about promoting a different ranking system is to download the "Demochoice Code" and rewrite it to use your preferred voting system, then put it online, because the code is public domain.

A similar poll system, CIVS, uses Condorcet methods (one can choose whether to use Schulze, Ranked Pairs/MAM, or "Smith,IRV"). The source code is freely available at http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/ ~andru/civs/changelog.html .


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