On 4 Mar 2008, at 09:48, Robert Casties wrote:
Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen wrote:On 3 Mar 2008, at 15:20, Erik Norgaard wrote:Thanks, tried it, it works I got my characters back, but at the price ofloosing short cut to search-replace.Try binding Command to Meta, or perhaps I misunderstood you?I think Eric wanted to have Option/Alt be Meta which clashes with many national key bindings on Mac (I know the problem from German).
I'm Danish but use the English keyboard. I need the option modifier for æøå“”‘’€™… and so on. I believe it's wrong to assume that a ‘simple subset’ will suffice. If people are able to use simple key bindings, they will also use complex, eventually, and be baffled when they fail to work.
By default, command should be meta and option/alt be ‘none’, although that description is misguiding. ‘Unmodified’ or something similar wouldbe more appropriate.I don't like Command be Meta because it takes over many of the most common Mac shortcuts like Cmd-Q, Cmd-W, Cmd-C, Cmd-V. A step like this would confuse beginners to Emacs even more.
Actually, I think the way Carbon Emacs did this is nice; use the default (ugly, unconventional) Emacs bindings out-of-the-box. It might be worth it to add an option somewhere to allow M-Q, C-X and so on to behave like everywhere else.
Emacs *is* confusing and unconventional; it has always been that, and will probably always be. I believe it will be much better to adapt Meta to behave more like command than to remove Option; it's an important key.
FYI: I got a MacBook (new, danish keyboard, Leopard) with two alt- keys,and a PowerBook (old, spanish keyboard, Tiger) with one alt key andanother key with an odd symbol looks like a hatchet '^' with a bar over.I believe that's the Fn key. You can use it to access number keys and F-keys on you keyboard, and I believe it's also possible to set it in the preferences.No, its the Enter key, which is mostly like the Return key but notexactly (on a Mac). You can remap the right Enter key to be Alt with the DoubleCommand utility. I had to do this for ages until Apple fixed it onthe Core2 MacBooks (and broke the F-Keys in the process :-(
Of course that's the one :)How about adding a preference to bind the Enter key to something? Most people don't use it anyway…
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