Re: [Emacs.app dev]: How to enable the meta key

[Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen]

On 4 Mar 2008, at 15:48, Robert Casties wrote:

Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen wrote:

I think Eric wanted to have Option/Alt be Meta which clashes with many

national key bindings on Mac (I know the problem from German).

æøå“”‘’€™… and so on. I believe it's wrong to assume that a ‘simple
subset’ will suffice. If people are able to use simple key bindings,

work.

I'm Danish but use the English keyboard. I need the option modifier for they will also use complex, eventually, and be baffled when they fail to

Aquamacs has the option to have Option as Meta except for some
language-specific keys e.g. "Meta & Finnish". I like this option the
best (although I don't use it).

I really don't see the need for "Meta & *", why not these bindings:

Control -> Control
Option -> system
Command -> Meta

with some additional bindings:

M-Q: quit
M-W: close
etc.

Perhaps even modifying the existing CUA menu option to include this with the Cocoa GUI, and defaulting the option to on would suffice?

Actually, I think the way Carbon Emacs did this is nice; use the default (ugly, unconventional) Emacs bindings out-of-the-box. It might be worth it to add an option somewhere to allow M-Q, C-X and so on to behave like

everywhere else.

Emacs *is* confusing and unconventional; it has always been that, and

will probably always be. I believe it will be much better to adapt Meta to behave more like command than to remove Option; it's an important key.

I would say the die-hard Emacs users can configure their Emacs any way
they want to - including Cmd-as-Meta - but it makes Emacs more
approachable to have it obey basic behaviour of other applications on
the platform. Emacs has left the way of being unconventional when it
acquired menus that can be used with a mouse ;-)

Actually I am using Esc to invoke Meta and Option for the national
characters. I started using Esc for Meta a long time ago when working
over modem lines with bad terminal emulations.

I just have Command to be Meta; it's an important modifier within Emacs, after all… When Control is Control, Option is Option and Command is Meta, I fail to see what is missing, apart from some familiar bindings, but isn't that fairly easy to fix?

No, its the Enter key, which is mostly like the Return key but not

the Core2 MacBooks (and broke the F-Keys in the process :-(

exactly (on a Mac). You can remap the right Enter key to be Alt with the DoubleCommand utility. I had to do this for ages until Apple fixed it on

Of course that's the one :)


people don't use it anyway

How about adding a preference to bind the Enter key to something? Most

been using additional Tools to do that from be beginning.

Talk to Apple ;-( I don't know what bit them to put this funny key on a laptop keyboard in the first place. Then they offered an option to remap some keys with Tiger (or was it Panther?) but not the Enter key. I have

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Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen
stud.scient., [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Still, shouldn't it be possible to somehow hack that into the Emacs UI code?

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