Doug,

My apologies to you and to all for jumping in late. I have two 
inter-related thoughts on spam filtering (4 cents worth?) --
  - I am very nervous about ANY filtering that that irrevocably deletes 
emails without my specific involvement in the action. I have several 
horror stories about people whose spam filters killed email they really 
wanted to receive and they didn't even know that they themselves had 
vaporized the emails.
  - I often find it is easier to let in the good guys than it is to keep 
out the bad guys. IOW, I have the user create a list of "good guys" 
(meaning approved senders) and then I filter off emails from addresses not 
on that list to a "maybe spam" folder. I also urge the user to scan "maybe 
spam" folder every day or so (sorting first by sender and then by subject)
  to find any emails they want and then to delete the balance. I also point 
out the obvious: that adding the addresses of those "now-found good goys" 
to their good guy list means future emails from those addresses will not 
go into the "maybe spam" folder next time.
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On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 07:21 AM, Doug Starkey wrote:

> After all my whining, I just wanted to say, "Thanks for the response."
>
> Never let it be said that I am ungrateful for the help I find on this
> list! :-)
>
> It may take me a while to conduct the tests you suggest (I'm just barely
> keeping ahead of the spam!) FWIW, I truly suspect it is the address
> groups that are the source of the problem. I am trying to pare things
> down, but it is very time consuming (combined, the groups of "spam
> addresses" are over 3000 and growing!)
>
> If anyone has further insights, please fell free to share.
>
> -Doug
>
> Wasn't it Helder Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who once said...
>
>> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:13:39 -0400
>> From: Helder Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Slooooooow Mail Actions (redux)
>>
>>
>> Doug Starkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm setting up mail actions in CE 2.0v3 to filter out "spam" based on
>>> certain domains and addresses. However, I'm noticing that Emailer is
>>> taking a LOOOOOOOONG time to unpack my mail (10+ minutes per account
>>> sometimes). I'm not sure whether this is because of a mail action with
>>> too many steps or an address book group with too many addresses.
>>>
>>> Bottom line, is there a point at which the number of steps in a mail
>>> action slows down the process? Or, similarly, if using an address group
>>> as part of a mail action, is there a limit to how many addresses one can
>>> have before the process becomes interminable? Or does the total number 
>>> of
>>> mail actions have an influence on this?
>>
>> If there really is a point at which Emailer slows to a crawl under the
>> weight of a complex mail action and/or a lengthy address lookup, it
>> would probably depend on several factors -- your CPU, the speed of your
>> hard drive, the amount of memory that you allocated to Emailer -- and
>> would require taking into account all the other applications,
>> extensions, and control panels which might be slowing down your Mac
>> while Emailer is trying to unpack your mail.  So I doubt that anyone
>> can give you a definitive answer.
>>
>> I suggest that you disable your current "spam" mail action and create
>> several smaller mail actions based on the original.  One could have
>> many steps but no address group lookups.  A second could have address
>> group lookups but no other steps.  A third could have some steps and
>> some lookups, but not as many as the original mail action.  Try
>> enabling each mail action in turn to see which one, if any, affects the
>> unpacking.  That may provide you with your answer.
>>
>> By the way, I don't know if any of your mail actions use AppleScript,
>> but I remember hearing that one of the OS 9.x releases had AppleScript
>> speed problems.  I think an update was released, but you'll have to
>> search Apple's web site to find it.
>>
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