>As for who "set up" this mess... you can talk to me. Although I had help 
>from and "Exchange expert", their background is with PC's not Macs. 
>Exchange is working great for everyone using Outlook 2003. And I can even 
>use it decently with Entourage 2004. I'd just like to make it work with 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Do you use any Exchanges features? Or is it just acting as a mail server? 
If so, you bought a really expensive mail server (ie: there are just as 
good, if not far better mail servers available cheaper than Exchange... 
many are free!).

Of course, if you use Exchange's other features, like calendaring and 
junk like that, then that is a different story.

>What directions do "who" provide? In Outlook 2003 when they log onto 
>their computer, they are logging into the Active Directory domain. That 
>links them to their Exchange mailbox... end of discussion.

I assumed you were going thru some kind of a provider or IT department 
and not running this on your own (your first email said you were forced 
to migrate to Exchange, so I took that as someone else was in control of 
the mail server). How do Outlook users connect from outside the network? 
Can they connect from home? Or is their no outside server access? I tried 
to telnet to smtp.pecandeluxe.com but I got no response (it did resolve 
an IP address however, so something else may have been blocking the 
reply).

>So, I'm guessing in your little "hack" of [EMAIL PROTECTED], the SMTP Auth is 
>reading from the Email account string? I could see where that is causing 
>problems.

Correct, the hack takes the same username and password as used by the POP 
logon. However, since it works for POP, it should work for SMTP. What may 
be more likely is that your server doesn't support the Auth type I've put 
into Emailer. I'd be able to check that if I could telnet to your mail 
server. If you want to do that for me, all you need to do is telnet to 
the SMTP server (port 25) and send the command "EHLO pecandeluxe.com". 
The server should reply with a banner message, one of the lines should 
say "AUTH" and list some types (Plain, Login, CRAM-MD5, Kerberos, etc). 
It needs to list "Login" as one of the types. If it doesn't, the current 
hacked version of Emailer won't work. If it doesn't, but it DOES list 
"Plain" as one of the types... I'm currently working on a version that 
does that type (I'm having a problem creating the correct string, if 
anyone is a decent C++ programmer, contact me). As soon as I get it 
working, you are welcome to a copy of that version.

If it doesn't list Plain or Login, then you are probably out of luck 
unless you can disable SMTP Auth entirely and go with another auth method 
(like IP authentication or POP Auth).

>But the funny thing is that when I try to send using my "backup" server 
>as the SMTP server, I still get an authentication failure. I did not 
>think my "backup" server was doing SMTP Auth (other than checking valid 
>IP's to prevent relays). If it is and it is receiving "pecandeluxe/doug 
>starkey/doug_starkey" as the account, then that could be where my problem 
>is on that end.

I was able to telnet to your bigbrother.pecandeluxe.com server, and it 
doesn't look like it support SMTP Auth at all (at least it doesn't 
advertise that it does, and it actually refuses the EHLO command, which 
means it claims it doesn't support extended SMTP commands, which means it 
shouldn't support SMTP Auth either which is part of extended SMTP). It 
does reply to the older HELO command.

This means the SMTP Auth hacked version should NOT work with your backup 
mail server. Try the regular version and see if that works.

Oh, that reminds me... when did you get the SMTP Hacked version of 
Emailer? The first release I did I forgot to change the HELO to EHLO. 
Some mail servers will disable extended SMTP commands if the HELO command 
is issued instead of EHLO. Exchange may in fact support the SMTP Auth 
hacked version of emailer, but is refusing the AUTH command. If you have 
the original release you are sending the wrong opening command. 
Redownload it from my web site <www.mythtech.net/SMTP_AUTH_Login.sit> and 
see if the problem goes away.

-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>

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