.... normally a top poster here, but will try to insert
my comments in a rational place below.....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Haberler [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 3:22 AM
> To: EMC developers
> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] latency histogram comp
> 
> Jon,
> 
> Am 07.12.2012 um 04:37 schrieb Jon Elson:
> 
> > Michael Haberler wrote:
> >> sorry for what maybe sounds like a dumb question, but 
> having read the Proctor/Shackleford paper on the influence of 
> jitter on steppers which basically say: "all it causes is a 
> loss of torque on the order of 10%" (given the figures at the 
> time the paper was written),
> >> 
> > That's a bit dismissive of Fred and/or Will, a major RT 
> stutter will 
> > cause more
> > than a 10% loss of torque.
> 
> 
> this is the way I understood the gist of the paper, and I 
> found that a quite interesting summary
> 
> not being a native speaker: can you fill me in what you 
> consider "dismissive" about that?

Not to address the issue of "dismissive" or not, but just to
consider the information provided....

The paper being referenced can be found here:

http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=824455

In the data cited in this paper the motor speed was 15 revolutions
per second (900 RPM) with the motor running in half step mode. This
required 6000 steps per second or a 166.66 microsecond step period.
The stated jitter for the results of less than 10% torque loss
(actually 7.6%) was 3.6 microseconds. This is a jitter of 2.16%,
so the loss of torque in percent is approximately 3.5 times the 
percentage of jitter timing. I have not checked out the derivation
of the formulas in the paper, so I will use this as a rule for
rough approximation.

Many systems used by LinuxCNC and Mach3 users push the timing much
harder to try to get higher speeds. Jitter of 25% is not uncommon
in some software only schemes. This can result in a torque loss
of about 87.5% which is enough to produce results like those Jon
cited in his Sherline experiments.

The motor in the NIST test case was run at a speed that allowed the 
motor to produce 50% of its holding torque. This is a reasonable value 
for industrial use. I only wish we could get most users of LinuxCNC
and Mach3 to accept such assumptions when setting up their machines.

Regards,
Steve Stallings
www.PMDX.com


> 
> >  I did an experiment a LONG time ago when I
> > developed the first hardware step generator for EMC(1) in 
> 2001.  I was able
> > to improve the top speed of a Sherline mill by a factor of 
> about 5 by
> > creating much smoother step pulse trains than the software 
> step generator.
> > I don't know the latency that machine had, but it was not terrible.
> 
> what I'd be interested in: was that a consequence of the 
> capability to generate more continuous frequencies or a 
> consequence of less jitter (which was the point in the 
> original question)?
> 
> -m
> 
> > 
> > Jon
> > 


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