Am 15.07.2013 um 00:59 schrieb Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]>:

> Gentlemen,
>  I remember the good old days when I learned to run the cnc controls Fanuc
> 5T and GE 1050 mill control.
>  I could be running in AUTO mode. Hit single block to stop the program
> processing at the end of the currently processing block. Switch to MDI to
> input a control command OR MAN/STEP to do some thing with the machine. As
> long as I did not hit the reset button I could switch back to AUTO, hit
> cycle start and the machine would take off as if I had done nothing in MDI
> or MAN.

Could you summarize which kinds of changes are possible when switching from 
AUTO to MAN (or MDI a bit) AND which remain in force when you cycle start? 
(because that's a hard case)

example: machine position - does it revert to where it left off? what for 
offset changes? tool diameter?

>  It was not unheard of for the operator to change a modal command or
> position the machine incorrectly and when the cycle start button was pushed
> the machine would do something unexpected but that was the operator's fault
> not the machine.
>  This was very convenient for a competent operator.
>  I believe many machines function in this manner today.
> 
>  Another 'feature' I have found hardly useful is to be able to hit feed
> hold, switch to MAN, move the machine to change a broken tool, reset the
> TLO, switch back to AUTO, hit cycle start to restart where the machine was
> put in feed hold. When they first put this in the controls I thought this
> would be very cool. I found I used it so seldom I did not learn to use it
> at all. If you are watching the machine process properly you will be able
> to change tools prior to tool breakage in almost all cases.

which operations are important to have during feedhold? (that's another hard 
case)

> 
> I did run a machine once, I don't remember the control, that I could change
> the TLO or Work Piece Coordinates and the machine would complete the
> currently processing block as prior but the next block would incorporate
> the changes I had made. I DID LIKE THIS.

that's a good case for delaying binding offsets and TLO to motion time, this is 
done way too early now which is why this doesnt work

for this to reliably work we need a reliable motion ID first (which must be a 
guaranteed-to-be-unique wrt line source context); the current one isnt, I'm 
rather sure it is possible by appropriate choice of linenumbers of subroutine 
definition and call statement to generate motions from two blocks which have 
the same motion id


it is back to square one: we must fix the known-to-be-broken fundamentals first 
or we'll never get beyond patching around

-m

> 
> thanks
> Stuart
> 
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