Hello Doug,

I beleived that both UL and CSA engineers are correct in testing your
component transformer. The reason is that UL required the recognized
insulation system. All other agencies (VDE, TUV, BABT, CSA ...) are not
required the "insulation system".

UL engineer relied on the recognized insulation system. Thus, he/she
determines and verifies the source that generates heat. Other agencies'
engineer only verify the compliant rating of material. If you specified the
tapes, wires, bobbin material, vanish, sleeving/tubing . . . are UL rated
130 degree (class B); all safety agencies will verify them during
evaluation process. However, UL will create a separate file for insulation
system (cost of maintenance, follow-up service, imposing the limit on
substitution of parts ...). If no UL recognized insulation system (file) is
in placed, they will treat that transformer as class A (105) only. Couple
of years ago, during UL seminar in San Diego, one asked the question: "Will
UL accept the toilet paper roll to be used as bobbin (coil form) if it
passed all whatever test required by insulation system?". The answer was NO
because toilet paper roll is not an UL recognized material.

That's the way it is.


Tac Pham
ph...@compuserve.com

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