I tend to agree with Gary that disk drives do not heft a big load change and
cause flicker.  I have repeatable lab test proof of this on an ITE product
we make that has ten disk drives (each ranging in capacity from 9 to
50Gbytes).  I have run flicker test while the box is running a program we
call 'smash and hammer' which causes a lot of disk activity.  This product
always passes the flicker test and uses a redundant pair of hefty switch
mode power supplies.  On the other hand, first turn-on of this product does
produce a large changing load on spinup but the test is not performed until
the EUT is running normally.

Based on my experiences, I would say that these types of devices could be
exempted from the test, but many times our end customers demand that these
and a raft of other tests are run as a matter of routine.  In my case, I can
run both flicker and harmonics from the same workstation and complete the
task in less than one half day.  
One never argues with the customer whomever they may be.
Kyle Ehler  [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
Assistant Design Engineer
LSI Logic Storage Systems Division
3718 N. Rock Road
U.S.A.  Wichita, Kansas  67226
Ph. 316 636 8657
Fax 316 636 8889
Fax 316 636 8315


        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Gary McInturff [SMTP:[email protected]]
        Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 1999 3:53 PM
        To:     'David Gelfand'; [email protected]
        Subject:        RE: Computer classification in EN61000-3-3


                IMO - 
                Section A. List some test parameters on a variety of
equipment:
        Photocopiers, Hairdryers or portable tools, etc and may cause
voltage spikes
        when turned on. The test limits describe the acceptable amount of
voltage
        drop as 3 or 4% depending( steady state and max relative voltage
change).
        There is a time limit imposed as well, but sort of a rule of thumb
if your
        equipment is suddenly demanding a lot of power that could cause the
overhead
        lights to flicker (this flicker isn't always perceivable on a
onsy-twosy
        basis) you probably need to comply to these limits.
                This isn't video flicker etc or switch mode power supply
stuff. I
        don't foresee a lot of ITE equipment falling into this category. The
        occasionally firing of the disk drives etc shouldn't be drawing this
kind of
        power.
                I have my asbestos underwear on just in case I'm wrong;
somebody
        will let me know.
                Gary

                .
                -----Original Message-----
                From:   David Gelfand [SMTP:[email protected]]
                Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:27 AM
                To:     [email protected]
                Subject:        Re: Computer classification in EN61000-3-3


                Bonjour Benoit et al,

                EN 61000-3-3 section 6.1 states:  "Tests shall not be made
on
        equipment
                which is unlikely to produce significant voltage
fluctuations or
        flicker."
                How do you interpret the phrase?

                David.

                David Gelfand P.Eng
                Approvals Group Leader
                Memotec Communications Inc.
                Montreal Canada

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Benoit Nadeau <[email protected]>
                To: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
                Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:36 PM
                Subject: Computer classification in EN61000-3-3


                >
                >Bonjour de Montreal,
                >
                >After a careful reading of EN61000-3-3, we tried to
identify the
        testing
                >conditions for computer devices and peripherals. Appendix A
of the
        standard
                >details the conditions for various household equipments.
                >
                >In section A.11 they specify that the test condition for
consumer
                >electronic devices is to measure only the dmax (maximum 4%
of
        voltage
                >variation).
                >
                >Are computer and peripheral considered as consumer
electronic
        device ?
                >
                >If it is the case, then we don't need a flikermeter to meet
the
                EN61000-3-3.
                >
                >Any comments ?
                >
                >
                >
                >
                
        
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