I think Mr. Maxwell was right on if you consider that the original complaint came from Israel, which is more socialistic than the US. I think concepts like "collective conscience," and "the public good" would carry a lot of weight in that kind of environment (have never been there myself). However, we in this country seem to often forget that the whole reason for our form of government is to protect us from those who use nebulous concepts such as a "collective conscience" and "the public good" in an effort to exert control for "our own best interests."
---------- >From: "Jim Freeman" <[email protected]> >To: "Maxwell, Chris" <[email protected]> >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Speed Measuring Devices >Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2000, 3:04 PM > > > > actually, with the judges i've seen you would fit right in as an unfair and > partial to his own interests type of judge. > > Jim Freeman > > > "Maxwell, Chris" wrote: > >> Maybe the only thing in need of calibration here is our collective >> conscience and our speedometers. >> >> I thought the purpose of laws, radar guns, speeding tickets ... was for the >> public good, not so that we could invent the most clever way to avoid >> getting caught. It may be an interesting intellectual exercise, but I don't >> know if it's worth the effort. I also don't know if it merits the attention >> of this forum. >> >> If I were a judge, I'd start charging by the hour if I had to listen to all >> sorts of "what if" scenarios. If the "what if's" didn't pan out, I'd triple >> the fine just for wasting my time. (I guess that's why I'm not a judge :-) >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Price, Ed [SMTP:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:04 PM >> > To: 'Peter Merguerian'; [email protected] >> > Subject: RE: Speed Measuring Devices >> > >> > >> > Peter: >> > >> > The best chance to win is through a technicality. Look for errors on the >> > officer's report; time, date, road conditions, traffic, license #. Also, >> > there's the possibility that the officer may not show up in court, and you >> > win by default. >> > >> > If you search the web about "police radar", you will find several sites >> > which offer detailed commentary on the legal points of officer training, >> > experience, observation of the infraction, etc. Unfortunately, this may >> > all >> > have little bearing on Isreali civil jurisdiction. >> > >> > BTW, USA radars come with a printed, signed C of C attesting to the >> > calibration. No idea what the recommended cal interval is. I have a Kustom >> > K-1 X-band unit, and it also came with a little tuning fork (also with >> > it's >> > own C of C). When struck, and held in front of the radar horn, the fork >> > tines physically move back and forth at a velocity equal to 50 MPH. Thus, >> > a >> > field check simply involves striking the fork and demonstrating an >> > indicated >> > 50 MPH. >> > >> > FWIW, I have never had this unit read incorrectly. It's sensitive enough >> > to >> > clock a car at one kilometer, or a human walking at about 200 meters. I >> > have >> > deliberately tried to induce error in it with a cell phone, amateur >> > 2-meter >> > 7 watt transceiver and a 5 watt CB 11-meter transceiver. (Guess you don't >> > want this testimony!) >> > >> > I have always thought, if I felt like really sticking my neck out, that I >> > would try to get the radar unit impounded as evidence until the trial. >> > After >> > all, the ultimate witness against you is one person swearing that they >> > operated a meter correctly. That meter is now evidence against you, and >> > it's >> > condition must be preserved for your inspection at trial. (If a pistol is >> > obtained from an investigation scene, it's impounded as evidence. So why >> > not >> > a Doppler radar?) >> > >> > The tactic here isn't fair; it's economic blackmail. A radar is sold to a >> > municipality as a an enforcement tool, which just happens to pay for >> > itself >> > and go on making bundles of bucks (shekels?) How long till your trial? How >> > long will the municipality be denied the use of the radar? How much money >> > per day? How many continuations can you get? Your hope is that they decide >> > that you aren't worth the loss of the revenue stream. >> > >> > Let us know if you need to change you email address for a while. <grin> >> > >> > Ed >> > >> > >> > Ed Price >> > [email protected] >> > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab >> > Cubic Defense Systems >> > San Diego, CA. 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I inspected the gun and >> > did >> > not see any stickers on it. >> > >> > I plan to go to court and attempt to convince the judge that the speeding >> > gun was not calibrated and/or the gun's measurement data may have been >> > affected by emissions from another device. >> > >> > Can anyone in the calibration business send me professional opinions on >> > the >> > methods and reasons for calibrating speeding guns? >> > >> > What is the best way to present this case in court? >> > Peter Merguerian >> > Managing Director >> > Product Testing Division >> > I.T.L. 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