We are getting off the track of my original question. Given that the test
procedures are identical (number of hits, location, air discharge, etc.)
will one gun (IEC 801-2 or EN 61000-4-2) yield worse results than the other?

The best information I have at this point is that the speed of approach is
the major contributor to differences between results, even with the same
gun.


        ----------
        From:  Michael Hopkins [SMTP:[email protected]]
        Sent:  Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:13 AM
        To:  Patrick Lawler; EMC-PSTC
        Subject:  Re: ESD Testing


        May be some confusion here::

        There is NO published version of 61000-4-2 that specifies 50
discharges. It
        may be in CISPR, but not in the IEC basic standard..

        There are some amendments to IEC 61000-4-2, but these deal with use
of the
        HCP, identification of "operator accessable points", and testing of
double
        insulated products.

        Now, there IS an early draft version of a revision of IEC 61000-4-2,
which
        at this stage is a working draft within SC77B WG9. (There was a CD
issued,
        but there have been many, many significant changes to this document,
and is
        far from a version that could be circulated to industry.) This draft
does
        talk about 50 discharges per point; however, I emphisize: THIS IS A
WORKING
        DRAFT --- it is NOT likely to be published as it now stands.
Additionally,
        WG9 met Monday and yesterday (September 10/11) and made many changes
to the
        document and I don't anticipate another CD for several months.

        Hope this helps. It's always a problem when early drafts of
documents begin
        to circulate.

        Michael Hopkins
        Thermo KeyTek
        Member, SC77B WG9
        Convenor, SC77B WG11


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Patrick Lawler" <[email protected]>
        To: "EMC-PSTC" <[email protected]>
        Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:15 PM
        Subject: Re: ESD Testing


        >
        > I don't have the IEC 61000-4-2 ammendment, but CISPR24:1997
        > (Immunity for ITE) does have the phrases
        > "... a minimum of 50 discharges at each point",
        > and
        > "... test points shall receive at least 50 direct contact
        > discharges."
        >
        > Maybe this is what you were thinking about.
        > ---
        > Patrick Lawler
        > [email protected]
        >
        >
        > On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:25:49 -0700, "Doug McKean"
        > <[email protected]> wrote:
        > >Both are 8kV air discharge, both require performance criteria B,
        > >but I'd say the current version of 61000-4-2  is more severe.
        > >
        > >Doesn't the current IEC 61000-4-2:1995 + A1:1998 version
        > >require a minimum of 50 hits per test point whereas the 1984
        > >version didn't?  I don't remember the specifics of the 84 version
        > >and I don't have any reference to it.
        >
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