Hi Folks Sorry the first message today was incomplete - here is the full version:
I fully support Nick's observations. In respect of the "comments" made by Gert, I would like to point out that the UK appears to be not the only Member country that has taken advantage of Article 223 , and those countries are "Full members" - not "half-members" - so those comments are unjustiable! Even more to the point, it should be remembered (as I pointed out in my earlier message) that many newer directives include specific exclusions for equipment for military and state security applications - so everyone else now appears to accept and agree that the UK stance and legislation on the EMC Directive is entirely justifiable! Regards John Allen Technical Consultant Electromagnetics, Safety and Reliability Group ERA Technology Ltd Cleeve Rd Leatherhead Surrey KT22 7SA Tel: +44 (0) 1372-367025 (Direct) +44 (0) 1372-367000 (Switchboard) Fax: +44 (0) 1372-367102 (Fax) (but sent from my home email address!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: RE: CE marking/testing of military equipment > > The UK's position is consistent with the provisions of, inter alia, > article 223 of the Treaty of Rome and is therefore entirely legal. > > I shall not dignify the remaining comments by replying to them. They > are unworthy of a forum such as this. > > Regards > > Nick. > > > At 07:23 +0100 31/10/02, Gert Gremmen wrote: > >Hi Patrick, > > > >This text is British law,en the Uk is only a half member of the EC. > >This law is is not backed up by the EMC directive European Text. > >It is therefore contradictory to the EC membership requirements > >and theoretically illegal. > >But who will complain, as it is not creating trade barriers, > >and is limited to pure military equipment. > >As always, the British stand out in Europe, gaining from the profits, > >and not accepting the obligations. > >As Margaret Thatcher already said: Why else did God create the Channel ? > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Gert Gremmen > >ce-test, qualified testing > >Rotterdam, The Netherlands > > > >http://www.ce-test.nl > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] > >Sent: woensdag 30 oktober 2002 23:50 > >To: EMC-PSTC > >Subject: Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment > > > > > > > >Hi Gert: > > > >I made the comment about the UK based on the following information: > >http://www.emctla.org/Tech%20Notes/technical_guidance_note_33.htm > > > >2) I found the standard referred to at: > >http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1992/Uksi_19922372_en_1.htm > >See section 20. > > > >PS: I love the Brits - who else would title the government standards group > >'Her > >Majesty's Stationery Office'! > > > > > >On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:48:18 +0100, "Gert Gremmen" <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >>There is no ground to beieve that military equiment is to be excluded > >>in any country in Europe. This is definitely not the case in the > >>Netherlands. > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >>Gert Gremmen > >>ce-test, qualified testing > >>Rotterdam, The Netherlands > >> > >>http://www.ce-test.nl > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] > >>Sent: woensdag 30 oktober 2002 18:49 > >>To: EMC-PSTC > >>Subject: CE marking/testing of military equipment > >> > >> > >> > >>I have a customer asking for CISPR 22 test results on a commercial power > >>supply > >>intended for use in military equipment in Europe. > >> > >>I've heard the UK excludes military equipment from CE marking. Do other > >>countries also exclude military equipment from the EMC Directive? > >> > >>If CISPR standards are not used for European military equipment, would > >>MIL-STD-461 be used? > >>---- > >>Patrick Lawler > >>[email protected] > >> > >>------------------------------------------- > >>This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > >>Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >> > >>Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > >> > >>To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > >> [email protected] > >>with the single line: > >> unsubscribe emc-pstc > >> > >>For help, send mail to the list administrators: > >> Ron Pickard: [email protected] > >> Dave Heald: [email protected] > >> > >>For policy questions, send mail to: > >> Richard Nute: [email protected] > >> Jim Bacher: [email protected] > >> > >>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > >> http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > >> Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------- > >>This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > >>Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >> > >>Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > >> > >>To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > >> [email protected] > >>with the single line: > >> unsubscribe emc-pstc > >> > >>For help, send mail to the list administrators: > >> Ron Pickard: [email protected] > >> Dave Heald: [email protected] > >> > >>For policy questions, send mail to: > >> Richard Nute: [email protected] > >> Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > > > >>All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > >> http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > >> Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > > > >---- > >Patrick Lawler > >[email protected] > > > >------------------------------------------- > >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > > >Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > > [email protected] > >with the single line: > > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > > >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > > Ron Pickard: [email protected] > > Dave Heald: [email protected] > > > >For policy questions, send mail to: > > Richard Nute: [email protected] > > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > > >All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------- > >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > > >Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > > [email protected] > >with the single line: > > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > > >For help, send mail to the list administrators: > > Ron Pickard: [email protected] > > Dave Heald: [email protected] > > > >For policy questions, send mail to: > > Richard Nute: [email protected] > > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > > >All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > [email protected] > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: [email protected] > Dave Heald: [email protected] > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: [email protected] > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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