Art Thanks for that.
Four points: 1) Slight error in your URL, should be http://www.cbscheme.org/ctl/decisions.htm 2)This an IEC CB site, not an EU/CENELEC site, so the "official" validity of anything stated thereup-on is questionable. 3) Yes, these also give the OSM decision sheets, but there is no explanation as to why the latter are, or could be, valid in Europe 4) Even if the information is "officially" valid, very few people would ever actually find it by the normal means - and certainly not from any "official" EU site or from any IEC or EN standard(s). Therefore it is also questionable as to whether this constitutes having the information "Freely available". Please note that the above questions are NOT criticism of yourself, but of "the system" - or more correctly, the lack of a system - for validating and promologating such information. Regards John Allen ERA Technology Ltd From: Arthur Michael [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 December 2003 15:46 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: CTL Decisions - the situation for Europe Hello All, I believe it was mentioned previously, but the link for the CTL Decisions may have gone unoticed by some; Both the CTL Decision Sheets and the OSM Decision Sheets are available online at: <http://www.cbscheme.org/ct/decisions.htm> At this same location, there is also a description of the CTL and its operational procedures; they may help to clarify some of the questions raised in this forum. Regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- | Thinking of joining the Product Safety Engineering Society?? | | We REBATE PSES Dues to new subscribers to IPSN | | | | Int'l Product Safety News | | P.O.Box 1561-PSES | | Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | | | See Details at:<http://www.safetylink.com/pses/psesoffr.txt> | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 [email protected] wrote: > John, > > Glad to see that you have started a new thread so that we may start afresh. > > In fact, in an earlier reply to Art Michael I did make a passing reference to > OSM decisions relating to EN 60950. However, this may have been too brief or > obscure for you to notice. > > Although I have never worked in a test house and so cannot comment from > personal experience, I understand that the Operational Staff Meeting (OSM) of the > CENELEC Certification Bodies (CCB) operates in a similar way to the CTL within > the IECEE as regards discussing testing matters. Perhaps one of the people > who are members of this group would care to confirm or correct this statement? > > It does seem that there is no universal way of confirming OSM decisions with > the relevant CENELEC Technical Committees, or CTL decisions with the relevant > IEC Committees. Up until recently, IEC/EN 60065 was developed by TC92 and > IEC/EN 60950 was developed by TC74: now both standards are the responsibility of > TC108 and it is possible to see that slightly different procedures were in > place to deal with these standards. As it happens, representatives from test > labs were active in both TC74 and TC74 and they continue to be active in TC108 > and so for IEC/EN 60065 and IEC/EN 60950 there is a good linkage between the > standards makers and the test and certification bodies. This does seem to result > more from serendipity rather than an overall grand plan, however. > > I would hope and expect that the OSM has a way of communicating their > documents to the CTL. Not being a member of either organisation I could not say if > this a formal or informal arrangement. Again, a reply from someone who works > for a test lab and is aware of the procedures would be nice! > > Perhaps you could use your internal contacts within the ERA to check out the > situation with other standards? > > Certainly, within TC76, dealing with IEC/EN 60825, there have been no CTL > decisions discussed in the time that I have been attending IEC meetings. > However, the only CB scheme for that standard series relates to IEC 60825-2 and that > scheme is little used. > > Best regards and Merry Christmas, > > Richard Hughes > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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