Accessibility was probably not on the minds of members of the code panel,
but I can see where it might be an issue.  Many homes have locks on the
bathroom doors.  From personal experience, I can tell you that there are
times when that door will be locked and the person in the bathroom is
either unable or unwilling to respond.  Under such circumstances, a
disconnect in the bathroom would not be readily accessible.

Ted Eckert
American Power Conversion/MGE
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This is where it originated, the NFPA 70, 2001 Report on Proposals. The
panel came up with this substantial change to the section in response to
the submitted proposal (recommendation). No indication about why the
bathroom issue came up during the panel meeting, probably a desire to keep
circuits which cannot be turned off by any means (except covering the
panels) away from moist environments.

Bob Johnson
ITE Safety

3- 182 - (690-14(c) (New) ): Accept in Principle
SUBMITTER: John C. Wiles, Jr., Southwest Tech. Development
Inst./Rep. Photovoltaic Power Industry Forum
RECOMMENDATION: Add new text to read:
β€œThe photovoltaic disconnecting means shall be grouped with other
disconnecting means for the system. A photovoltaic disconnecting means
shall not be required at the photovoltaic module or array location.”
SUBSTANTIATION: To comply with the code requirements for grouping all
disconnects of a power system in a single location, it is necessary to have
the photovoltaic disconnecting means grouped with the other disconnecting
means. Although photovoltaic modules and arrays may be located some
distance away or on the roof, there is no requirement for a disconnect at
the source because the source is energized in daylight whether or not the
disconnect is opened.
PANEL ACTION: Accept in Principle.
Add the following new text to the proposed text:
β€œ(c) Requirements for Disconnecting Means. Means shall be provided to
disconnect all conductors in a building or other structure from the
photovoltaic system conductors.
(1) Location. The photovoltaic disconnecting means shall be installed at a
readily accessible location either outside of a building or structure or
inside nearest the point of entrance of the system conductors.
The photovoltaic system disconnecting means shall not be installed in
bathrooms.
(2) Marking. Each photovoltaic system disconnecting means shall be
permanently marked to identify it as a photovoltaic system disconnect.
(3)Suitable for Use. Each photovoltaic system disconnecting means shall be
suitable for the prevailing conditions. Equipment installed in hazardous
(classified) locations shall comply with the requirements of Articles 500
through 517.
(4)Maximum Number of Disconnects. The photovoltaic system disconnecting
means shall consist of not more than six switches or six circuit breakers
mounted in a single enclosure, in a group of separate enclosures, or in or
on a switchboard.
(5)Grouping. The photovoltaic system disconnecting means shall be grouped
with other disconnecting means for the system to comply with (4). A
photovoltaic disconnecting means shall not be required at the photovoltaic
module or array location.”
PANEL STATEMENT: The added text was modified from Part F of Article 230 to
ensure that a means for disconnecting the photovoltaic system will exist at
the proper location, with the proper marking and suitability of use, and
with the proper maximum number of disconnecting means.
NUMBER OF PANEL MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 12
VOTE ON PANEL ACTION:
AFFIRMATIVE: 12

Powell, Doug wrote:
      Hello all,

      I sometimes see or hear about provisions in safety standards that
      must
      have very interesting backgrounds.  Here is one example that seems so
      obvious I have to wonder if it is really needed.

      ---------------------------
      NFPA 70-2005 Edition
      Section 690.14 Additional Provisions. Photovoltaic disconnecting
      (C) Requirements for Disconnecting Means
      (1) Location - The photovoltaic system disconnecting means shall not
      be
      installed in bathrooms.
      ---------------------------

      Actually, there are several places in the standard where similar
      language exists.  Outside of speculation, does anyone actually know
      the
      historical background for this requirement?

      Regards,

      -doug

      Douglas E. Powell
      Senior Compliance Engineer
      Corporate Compliance Department

      Advanced Energy Industries, Inc.
      Fort Collins, Colorado USA 80525




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