If a fuse or circuit breaker is used, then the short circuit current
limit is actually 1000 divided by the open circuit voltage, per table 2C
- since this is no longer an inherently limited power source.  This
gives more headroom on the short circuit current requirement (though
important to note that the measurement must be taken with the
overcurrent protection shorted), but the fuse rating requirement may not
allow this to be LPS.  The use of a 5A (or lower) rated fuse on a
circuit that requires 8A certainly could lead to nuisance tripping.  Max
VA without the protection must be limited to 250 VA or less also.

If a fuse or CB is not used, then not only must the 8A short circuit
current limit be met, the max VA under any load condition cannot exceed
5 times the open circuit voltage, per table 2B.

Scott Aldous
Compliance Engineer
Advanced Energy
Tel: 970-407-6872
Fax: 970-407-5872

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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: limited current circuits in IT equipment

Hello Brian,

Under IEC 60950-1:2005 clause 2.1.1, bare parts of a SELV circuit may be
accessible to the operator.  Limited current circuits need not be at
SELV
voltages.  They are specified as a circuit that doesn't have the current
capability such that there is hazardous energy.  As such, they are a
separate category of circuits that may be accessible to the operator.

The situation may be slightly different in the United States.  UL
60950-1
matches IEC 60950-1 on this matter.  However, the National Electrical
Code
has a different requirement.  It basically requires you to limit
accessibility to Class 2 circuits.  This is not to be confused with
Class 2
under IEC 60950.  NFPA 70 Article 725 gives the limits for Class 2,
which
are basically the same as those for an Inherently Limited Power Source
as
described in 60950-1 Clause 2.5.  If your 10 VDC, 8 A contact is going
to
connect to building wiring or other systems, it may need to be an
Inherently Limited Power Source.  At 8 amperes, it can be done, but it
will
be difficult.  The 8 ampere limit has to be the short circuit current.
If
you have a fuse or circuit breaker to limit current, the maximum value
is 5
A as shown in Table 2C.

If you have jump started a car or changed the battery, you have probably
been exposed to 12 - 14 volts with plenty of current capability without
any
harm.  Many people ignore the proper order for connecting and
disconnecting
terminals to avoid sparks and fires, but the voltages are normally safe.
(I know that I am opening my self up to comments as well as risking an
off-topic discussion, but the analogy was what came to mind.)

Ted Eckert
American Power Conversion/MGE
http://www.apc.com/

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A customer would like a 10Vdc/8A contact to be exposed to the end user.
I
would like to say no because this would not meet the requirement for an
LCC ckt.

But as I read from the sacred scrolls of 60950-1, it was noted that if
the
exposed part is not at a Hazardous voltage (reliably SELV) or energy
level, that there is no requirement for it to be LCC if the device is
Class I construction and there is no cap bridging the reinforced
insulation.

Did I miss something ? Does this seem ok ?

thanks,
Brian

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