Believe me, beeping is much preferred than to the alternative of setting the defib off. I would much rather listen to some musical tones then pick myself up off the floor : )
Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 ========================= ----- Forwarded by Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US on 10/25/2010 11:35 AM ----- <[email protected]> wrote on 10/25/2010 11:04:35 AM: > From: > > <[email protected]> > > To: > > <[email protected]> > > Date: > > 10/25/2010 11:05 AM > > Subject: > > Re: [PSES] Test Standards for immunity to EMI from TIG and MIG welders? > > Sent by: > > <[email protected]> > > From < > http://www.med.unc.edu/medicine/card/fellows/patientinstructions/EMI.pdf> > : > > "Note: If you have an ICD [Implantable Cardiac Defibrillator], some strong > magnetic fields may cause > your device to make beeping tones." > > Wow - I hope patients know about the possibility of beeping! If I didn't > know, and my chest started beeping, I think I'd have a heart attack. > > Pat Lawler > EMC Engineer > SL Power Electronics Corp. > > [email protected] wrote on 10/22/2010 03:12:53 PM: > > Page 4 of > > http://www.med.unc.edu/medicine/card/fellows/patientinstructions/EMI.pdf > > has some welding specific guidelines but no references as to where the > > numbers came from. I'd ask the source ( www.guidant.com ) what studies > > back up their assertions. Also see > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1279591 and > > > http://samplecode.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/ > > wp/nets-wp002_-en-p.pdf . > > > > Orin > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:48:39 -0700 [email protected] writes: > > > Though I have seen lots of mentions of electromagnetic emissions by > > > welding equipment in the web searches I have done, I have seen no > > > quantitative measurements. > > > > > > The only indirect indication of the level of emissions is the > > > immunity > > > levels called out in IEC 60974-10 (10 V/m as per IEC 61000-4-3, > > > which our > > > equipment meets as well). But my guess is that this test is nearly > > > redundant for the equipment manufacturers, since I expect the level > > > of > > > emissions produced during welding to be as much if not more of a > > > problem. > > > > > > Donald Borowski > > > Schweitzer Engineering Labs > > > Pullman, Washington, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > John Woodgate <[email protected]> > > > To: > > > [email protected] > > > Date: > > > 10/22/2010 01:37 PM > > > Subject: > > > Re: Test Standards for immunity to EMI from TIG and MIG welders? > > > Sent by: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > In message > > > > <ofb20eb02e.ce4c32e9-on882577c4.0061e8f4-882577c4.00638...@selinc.com>, > > > > > > > dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010, [email protected] writes: > > > > > > >So my last (and now most important) question is: Is there any > > > >literature describing the electromagnetic environment around TIG > > > and > > > >MIG welders while in operation in the field? > > > > > > I'm sorry that the IEC standard was inadequate. It's true that the > > > welding process in inherently subject to large variations in almost > > > > > > every characteristic. > > > > > > I looked at standards related to exposure to EMF from arc welding > > > equipment, (such as EN 50444) but I did not find any description of > > > the > > > environment. > > > -- > > > OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and > > > www.isce.org.uk > > > John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK > > > If at first you don't succeed, delegate. > > > But I support unbloated email http://www.asciiribbon.org/ > > > > > > - > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > > > emc-pstc discussion list. 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