Brent: I would have to ask on what basis you would exclude conductive
surfaces? My experience has been grounding defects were exposed by conductive
discharge and as such it was a very valuable engineering tool.  

Fred Townsend

Brent DeWitt wrote: 

        Ian,

        I have always been of the opinion that it is not required to do air 
discharge
to conductive surfaces.  That said, my current employer has written internal
standards to include air discharge to conductive surfaces.  I'll  be
interested to see where this thread leads.

        Brent DeWitt
        
        
        

                -----Original Message----- 
                From: Bill Owsley 
                Sent: May 18, 2009 12:27 PM 
                To: [email protected] 
                Subject: Re: [PSES] ESD testing 
                
                
The fun part of air discharges to insulating surfaces is that things are not
always what they appear to be.  The air discharge can find a way around lots
of apparent insulation to find the nearest conductor and insert all sorts of
havoc in the system.

- Bill
Indecision may or may not be the problem.

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Gordon,Ian <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>  wrote:



        From: Gordon,Ian <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> 
        Subject: ESD testing
        To: "IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC" <[email protected]> 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
        Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:09 AM
        
        
        All
        Is it necessary to apply both air & contact discharges to equipment
        given the following?:
        
        Looking at 61000-4-2 I believe the critical part is the first paragraph
        of section 7 ".Test set-up".
        
        .....application of discharges to the EUT in the following manner:
        a) contact discharge to the conductive surfaces and coupling planes;
        b) air discharge at insulating surfaces.
        
        it does not say for air discharge at insulating AND conductive surfaces.
        The table in section. 8.3.1 is just for conductors but is essentially a
        restatement of the above.
        I cannot see any other part of the spec that implies the opposite.
        
        
        Ian Gordon  
        
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