In some of the States it specifies an NRTL or lab found to be acceptable by the State Authorities
-----Original Message----- From: Lg [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:46 PM To: Tyra, John; '[email protected]'; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Mandatory NRTL certification A number states have adopted OSHA rules as their own, often withs mods. Sent from my MetroPCS Wireless Phone "Tyra, John" <[email protected]> wrote: >Sorry Rich but I have to disagree as the CEA document I have shows State laws >which specifically call out an NRTL being mandatory to distribute electronic >equipment into those States... > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Nute >Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:53 PM >To: [email protected] >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Mandatory NRTL certification > > >The way the term "NRTL" has been used here is >mostly wrong. I want to clarify what the term >"NRTL" means. > >In the U.S.A., NRTL certification is NOT >mandatory. Safety certification is NOT >mandatory. > >The U.S.A. has two sets of drivers for safety >certification of electrical products: > >1) The Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA); >2) The local electrical code. > >The U.S.A. OSHA law applies to employers. The >electrical products used by employees in the >workplace must be certified for safety by a >NRTL. (Employers have alternatives to NRTL >certified products, but that is not discussed >here.) > >So, to comply with the OSHA law, employers >purchase electrical products that are certified >by a NRTL. > >The term "NRTL" does not apply to any other >situation. > >As has been mentioned, certification by a "NRTL" >is NOT a requirement for electrical equipment >manufacturers; it is a requirement for employers >and the workplace. > >In the U.S.A., the local electrical code is >part of the local building code. In most code >jurisdictions, the electrical code requires the >parts used for electrical construction and >installation be certified for safety. The >"accepted" certifications are set by the local >Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ). > >No relationship exists between OSHA and local >AHJs. These are independent entities. > >Therefore, NRTL certification does not >guarantee acceptance by an AHJ. > >Having said that, some (but not all) AHJs defer >to the NRTL scheme for approval of labs that >can issue safety certifications that can be >accepted. > >Most NRTLs are accepted by most AHJs. > >As has been mentioned here, some retailers and >most medical facilities require electrical >equipment be certified for safety. The labs >that can satisfy this requirement are specified >by the retailer or medical facility as a part >of their purchase order. (Some retailers and >some medical facilities actually test the >equipment safety before accepting the equipment!) > >Most NRTLs are accepted by most retailers and >most medical facilities. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Wellman >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:49 PM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: RE: Mandatory NRTL certification >NRTL certification/listing is not mandatory for product Manufacturers. This is >a Customer driven requirement so your Customers can comply with local OSHA >requirements. If you don't want to list or certify your product that's really >a Marketing call. Also, it is my experience that most large Companies require >third party approvals as a condition of sale. Therefore, unless you want to be >reactive to Customer sales I would make sure your Marketing people understand >the risk of losing a sale if your product is not certified/listed by an NRTL. > >Best regards, >Ron Wellman > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:41 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Mandatory NRTL certification > >Hello All, > >Today a colleague asked me a question as to why do we need NRTL certification >such as UL or CSA on any product in the US. I thought this was a good and >logical question and the way I answered it was that to the best of my >knowledge, OSHA requires that any products that is used in work place to be >safe and to have been certified by one of the NRTL labs. Would you say that is >a correct answer? > >Thank you >Peter >- >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >discussion list. 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