I notice pirates don’t use good grammar (Are documents are protected ..) and they don’t take American Express!
Seriously folks, however you feel about the standards, what is really at risk from places like this is your credit card numbers. The standards may not even be real, and the only thing that gets ripped could be your ID. A booty of corporate card numbers may be the real pirate’s treasure. If you use your personal Visa, Mastercard, or PayPal account, you might be calling the bank to say that your card needs to be shut down, or that you did not get the goods that you were promised. If you use a corporate card (assuming you use some other card than Amex – guessing American Express wouldn’t do business with these folks) you might have to go to your bosses to shut down your card, and get another one issued, and you might not have it processed in time to go to that symposium in Las Vegas you really wanted to go to! DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Don Gies [mailto:don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:02 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Check out the site’s only FAQ, concerning digital rights management: FAQ for document 1.Are documents are protected by Digital Rights Management (DRM)? Nope,all the file you'll be receiving will be free of DRM,you could copy,past,do anything you want. Aargh! DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" I'd counter with the price of one of the best EMC standards, mil std 461.. I like the price of that even better Copying .pdfs does not cost in excess of a few dollars. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "McInturff, Gary" <gary.mcintu...@esterline.com> wrote: Reasonable is a subjective word. If I’m comparing standard prices from one source or the other the legitimate site is reasonable compared to other legitimate sites, but when I compare them to other printed matter including my daughter medical texts, math texts, or worse e-books the costs are huge. I can even get an actor to read me the book and still magnitudes of order difference. So I always suffer sticker shock when I hunting for standards. As I understand the price supports the standards activities – which is the reason I buy from legitimate sources. Gary From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:38 AM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Always one to buck the trend, I think these are reasonable prices We are ripped off by standards bodies left right and centre MHO Derek Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 10:05 AM, "McInturff, Gary" <gary.mcintu...@esterline.com> wrote: Would appear the real pirates are at UL and BSI Gary From: Don Gies [mailto:don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Ahoy, me hearties! My view is that there are too many standards that are too cheap at this site, and if ANSI were really powering it, they would be doing so from their own site. This site might as well hoist high the Jolly Roger, because it’s occupied by pirates. Ex.: UL 60950-1 for $20 instead of $422? BS EN 60950-1 for $20 instead of £161 to BSI Members, £322 to non-members? DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: e-standard.org "The cheapest standards in the world" Does anyone have experience with the subject standards vendor. Their prices are so low (NFPA 70-2011 for $25!?) it has activated all my “if it’s too good to be true” warning systems. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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