Using apps is conditional on accepting the app developers¹ terms. But if the question includes what difference it makes if the police can track you, well that isn¹t a big deal at all. Just the difference between being a subject or being a citizen. People who don¹t know or care about the difference invariably become subjects, even if they start out as citizens.
Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: "Kunde, Brian" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "Kunde, Brian" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:25:01 +0000 To: <[email protected]> Conversation: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing. Subject: Re: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing. Snooping has been a common subject with the media recently, but realistically, as long as I¹m not breaking any laws or post nude pictures of myself on the cloud, what do I care if someone is snooping my cell phone? What real harm can come of it? And I¹m not talking about skilled hackers finding out my PIN number, because they can do that regardless, but what about all the normal snooping going on with cell phone apps such as my phone knowing what route I take to work every day, or what stores I frequent, or what gas stations I go to. What do I care? The Other Brian From: Gary McInturff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 1:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing. Snooping just poked it¹s little head into my life recently. There are about a bazillion people monitoring, or capable of monitoring, you, Apple, Samsung, NSA, local police, etc. And even though I knew it was being done I posted a picture to social media that was taken by someone else. The app I was using asked where it was taken. Even thought I had never been to the particular location myself and was physically about 300 miles from that location the app listed several places that were nearby and central to where the picture was actually taken. Yoicks! Oh did I mention Microsoft? J (Actually I don¹t know about Microsoft Ted primarily pulling your chain this morning) Gmac From: Ted Eckert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing. I¹m curious if users of these shielding pockets will discover the law of unintended consequences. If a cell phone is placed in the pocket, it will have trouble picking up the signal from any cell towers. The phone will boost its transmit power and my try linking to the towers more frequently. I find that my phone¹s battery is drained much faster in areas with fringe reception. Users of this shielded pocket may find that their battery is dead when they retrieve their phone. Of course, this just bring up the question of why people don¹t turn off their phone if they are worried about snooping. Even if you use the pocket, your phone has to be pulled out and exposed to be used. On a related note, this article may have been posted before but it has some relation to the subject at hand. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-mak e-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theatlantic.com_hea lth_archive_2012_09_tin-2Dfoil-2Dhats-2Dactually-2Dmake-2Dit-2Deasier-2Dfor- 2Dthe-2Dgovernment-2Dto-2Dtrack-2Dyour-2Dthoughts_262998_&d=AAMFAg&c =0hKVUfnuoBozYN8UvxPA-w&> Full details with the test setup and results can be found at the following link. http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi /helmet/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__web.archive.org_web_201 00708230258_http-3A_people.csail.mit.edu_rahimi_helmet_&d=AAMFAg&c=0 hKVUfnuoBozYN8UvxPA-w&r=RJLDFgHJo89sjFN46b74hFXEuxvz4Z1iAx-glaOgP0k& m=PKvfTiSC7PbUbGjtdyVqn3Lz1E> Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 7:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] RF shielding in clothing. 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