Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

[Douglas Smith]

Hi Ken, I suspect that the health impact of the microwave popcorn far exceed the leakage from the oven. This stuff is bad, not fit for human consumption. Doug Douglas C. Smith University of Oxford Tutor Department for Continuing Education Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom -------------------------------------------------------------- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 60941 ========= Boulder City, NV 89006-0941 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 702-570-6108/570-6013 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-----( ) | o | Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ / ] \ _ / Web: http://www.dsmith.org -------------------------------------------------------------- On 5/15/15 08:54, Ken Wyatt wrote: Hi All, I recently wrote an article on wireless interference, with microwave ovens being one source of that interference. Fortunately, the use cycle of microwave ovens is relatively short, so any interference is short-term. However, any leakage is certainly an issue for those standing nearby - maybe listening to popcorn, etc.? http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4438663/Wi-Fi-network-interference--analysis--and-optimization In this article, I show a real-time spectral plot of microwave oven leakage at 12 inch distance from the oven. The peaks were around -20 dBm using a short “rubber duck” antenna on the Tek RSA306 analyzer. The leakage limit is 1 mW/cm^2 with a test load (water) and 5 mW/cm^2 without a test load (measured at 5 cm from the oven surface). I measured mine just now at 0.1 mW/cm^2 loaded and 0.5 mW/cm^2 unloaded. The Australian Government did a study on the subject in 2004 and includes some interesting background on the door interlock designs: http://www.arpansa.gov.au/pubs/emr/microwave.pdf Health Canada also did a survey of several new and used microwave ovens in the Ottawa area: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs/radiation/microwave_ovens-micro_ondes/index-eng.php Cheers, Ken _______________________ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services, Inc. 56 Aspen Dr. Woodland Park, CO Phone: (719) 310-5418 Email Me! | Web Site | Blog The EMC Blog (EDN) Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn On May 15, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> wrote: My microwave oven used correctly interferes with wi-fi and Bluetooth, but with blue tooth if I bring the devices close together I can overpower the incidental oven radiation, right next to the oven.  I can't do that with wi-fi at home, because of the fixed location of the wi-fi base station at the other end of the house from the oven. Obviously I can bring the wi-fi device closer to the base station and at the same time farther from the oven and make the problem go away, but that is hardly surprising. But the point of the news item was that it seemed the interference was tied to the oven door opening, which is problematic, at least to me. I don't buy the delay thing someone posited - I'm thinking that it is a switch activating a relay interrupting power to the magnetron, and that happens before any pressure on the oven door gasket has been released. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com> Reply-To: Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:02:00 +0100 To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven This isn't a particularly helpful contribution, but when I use my microwave (used correctly, with the door closed), my Bluetooth speaker completely stops working and any WiFi activity grinds to a halt. I try to keep the kids away from the microwave when it's in use, as much as I can. Michael. -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 14 May 2015 23:42 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven In message <55551f28.6030...@gmail.com>, dated Thu, 14 May 2015, Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com> writes: My question is this.  If the RF generated inside the oven does not stop prior to the opening of the RF seal on the door, which testing is responsible to identify this problem, EMC or the Safety testing Not 'either/or': emission with the door open violates CISPR 11/EN 55011, it's also a violation of the Section of IEC/EN 60335-2 (too late here to look it up) and potentially a violation of the regulatory EMF exposure limits as measured according to IEC 62233. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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