The old adage “buyer beware” fits. That said, the price of freedom is that everyone takes responsibility for themselves, they take responsibility on what they purchase and what they use. They reject government intrusion. They set up things like the consumer protection organizations in the US; which do protect against many of what others think is required to be legislated. It does not take laws and standards; it does not take government watch dogs, it takes personal responsibility. The return policies and lemon policies of most if not all manufactured products in the US speak to that savvy. If you buy a product that does not do what it claims, it can be and generally is returned.
I also believe that the US buyer is far more savvy than many give them credit. Yes, there are those who would rather have some agency think for them; there always will be. But for the most part, using BBB and other consumer groups there is absolutely no reason to introduce an overly cumbersome, inane and self-serving government intrusion in private affairs of US citizens. Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question Dennis: The rationale that you don’t need consumer electronics with a modicum of immunity works only for you, because you are what I would call an expert customer. You have the knowledge to ameliorate immunity problems, but most of the population does not have this capability. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:20 AM To: 'Ed Price'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: RE: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question I for one would never want the US to get into this arena. Too much regulation in the US as it is. Don’t need more and don’t want more. I’ll decide what is best for me, not the government. Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 1:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question John: Unfortunately, American consumer electronics has no E-field immunity requirement. The only help a consumer gets is that little paragraph of legalese that advises you to re-orient your device and move further away from emitters. OTOH, most consumer equipment design which takes emission compliance into account will also yield reasonable immunity levels. My personal experience indicates that most immunity problems with consumer electronics is not a design problem but a reliability problem. As an example, last year a friend asked me to repair his semi-pro mixer board (used in a church environment); he had problems “everywhere” with distortion, low gain and external RF susceptibility. However, the mixer board was fine; it was his patch cords that were horribly abused and leaky. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question In message < <mailto:FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AF42@ZEUS.cetest.local> FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AF42@ZEUS.cetest.local>, dated Sat, 12 Sep 2015, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" < <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> g.grem...@cetest.nl> writes: >A Ham never can be a source of interference, by definition (if they >respect their limits- in more than one way). It is clearly not true, given the unlimited lack of immunity exhibited by some products. Immunity isn't even controlled in the Americas. > >To me an amateur is not a HAM, but that is a matter of language I >suppose. Yes. 'Amateur' is the larval form. (;-) > >My example showed a (spiced up) example of lack of immunity in a >professional audio installation , that due pragmatic testing, too >cables with average screening properties Was it definitely due to cables? Much professional PA equipment is none too good on immunity. And there are far too many installations that don't exclusively use balanced lines. > -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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