Gary
Don’t think that that is the situation if the products are as outlined in the quoted part of Nick’s post – OTOH, if the supplier does know that there are relevant and significant breaches of other additional national “local” legislation or “ACOP”s as outlined in my last post then “he” “should” make sure that those are appropriately dealt with before “he” supplies the product to the “consumer”, or else risk, possibly severe, legal repercussions if those issues are later identified for some reason and then acted upon. BTW, as was mentioned earlier, if the “average consumer” sells-on such a secondhand product then “he” can reasonably be considered free of such obligations unless there has been a widely publicized Alert/Recall about the issues – and even then, as was well illustrated at the UK “Electrical Safety First” (ESF) charity’s Seminar that I attended today, the vast majority (something like 80-90%!) of “consumers never hear/see/appreciate such Alerts/Recalls and therefore cannot reasonably be held responsible for not being aware of them! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Gary McInturff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 October 2016 19:30 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] 2nd hand or refurbished products John Given that standards in EU have a Docopocoss, I would think that refurbished equipment can ship to and around the EU only if the current EMC and safety directives have been met. So it is more than just replacing worn-out or failed parts and shipping willy-nilly, but must demonstrating compliance to the current directives, correct? Even for currently manufactured devices at the very date of changeover I believe EU manufactures can only ship those items that are currently in a EU warehouse. The next unit off the assembly line has to comply with the new standards. I presume that would be the case for refurbished as well. From: john Allen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] 2nd hand or refurbished products IIRC the regulations for such products are essentially that they must comply with those that were in place when they were placed on the market in the EU/EEA, and provided that they are in the “same” configuration and modification state as that when placed on the market – OTOH, if they have been modified (e.g. updated components/assemblies providing more/different capabilities than as when originally shipped – and even updated s/w could be an issue if that affects the safety/EMC/etc., Directives requirements compliance), in which case they are required to meet the requirements that are current at the time the modifications are made, and updated compliance documentation, including possibly a new CE DoC, to adequately confirm compliance with those current requirements. That’s a generalization but that is from where I would start when assessing whether further compliance work is required - I would also refer to the latest edition of the Commission’s “Blue Guide” as I think that does provides relative guidance. John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 October 2016 18:32 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] 2nd hand or refurbished products This is quite complicated. Unless it causes a major problem, assume they do apply. Second-hand and refurbished products are not treated in the same way, because second-hand products may be offered for private sale by people who don't have all the necessary resources. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! 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