Well, at some point hey moved away from stone tablets, so there is hope! Thanks,
Jamison From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Paper Manuals? There is also the issue, which I know has surfaced in at least one safety standards committee, that people simply won't bother to download a manual, get into possibly dangerous areas and then sue, on the basis that only words on paper (parchment, vellum, clay and stone tablets) are recognized in law. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jmwa.demon.co.uk_&d=DgMFaQ&c=clRTYxLjfWTYQkksq4Trqw&r=SuXR4v_cWDGps50Ob7OgG3eGvjdtolb5h84QBM8NxmY&m=-gD4d9y0Yoglbd_OFwP83YsBeYwlkckJSSsw0ACOSMA&s=HkGIC9j5IoUb0YarDb0g-XjeZT7w1mp-M_Nuus1BPpY&e=> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:12 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Paper Manuals? I haven’t tried in a while but at the time - 10 years ago and got the same mixed results you appear to have gotten. When pressed about the only reason they could give me was concern was that not all people have access to computers etc. to read the manual even if given a disc in the shipping container nor could they even go on line to find the manual on a web site. I suppose that might still be the case and kind of a tough argument to defeat in the extreme but it doesn’t match the changing reality of interconnectedness. Especially for professionals. By the way I Just bought an expensive spectrum analyzer and everything, operation manual, compliance and safety etc. was either on disc or website. Maybe lab equipment allows electronic everything I don’t know because I don’t have the standard. If you happen to have competitive equipment you can always ask why they are being selective in their decision or claim previously accept constructions. But you are going to have to push the issue up hill. The poor sole evaluating the equipment is often blocked by the simple black and white of the issue, that doesn’t mean he has the ultimate authority on it. Reviewers and managers above them have the ability to alter decisions. Should they be able to, that’s another question. Gary From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 9:05 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Paper Manuals? Good Morning, Has anyone had any success in getting standards writers and/or evaluation organizations to accept an electronic version of a manual as an equivalent alternative to a paper version even when the standard refers to a paper manual? 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