Here's another good UK data source for incidents, not recalls: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/fire-statistics-data-tables
The "Domestic appliance fires dataset" file near the bottom can be parsed by appliance type. Cheers, Adam [email protected] On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 7:42 AM, John Allen < [email protected]> wrote: > Scott > > > > Look on the EU Commission RAPEX site: > > http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/safety_ > products/rapex/alerts/ > > > > Actually, don’t if you want to sleep tonight! > > > > John E Allen > > W.London, UK > > > > *From:* Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 25 June 2017 12:34 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire > > > > Hi Adam, > > > > The info supplied is interesting! Yes, it aligns with John’s thought. > However, the recalled units are quite different – 5,200 vs 1.2 m. In the > UK, there are a few million recalls of clothes dryers in last few years – > that is quite different from US data. Is there similar data of UK and/or > EU? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Scott > > > > > > *From: *Adam Dixon <[email protected]> > *Date: *Sunday, 25 June 2017 at 7:06 PM > *To: *Scott Xe <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > *Cc: *<[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire > > > > Here's a slightly dated but popular US magazine article with a table near > the end that supports John's closing thought about rarity of fridge fires > compared to tumble-dryer fires (1:9 ratio). > > http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/03/ > appliance-fires-is-your-home-safe/index.htm > > Cheers, > > Adam > > [email protected] > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Scott Xe <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, thanks for background info! > > LFB said one fire every day in London is caused by white goods. It is a > horrible figure! > > Grenfell Tower Fire is a bit different from previous ones and had another > risk of non-approved insulation and cladding tiles on the outer wall of > building. It is still unclear how the fire spreads from the fridge to the > cladding titles. Was the fridge close to the windows? > > From the video, the metal back seems to work delaying the fire spread. It > may trigger the standard body to think it again. The capacitor incident > prevention has been incorporated into the safety standard, why not this > one? LFB may take this case to reinforce their warning alert in 2015. > > Scott > > On 25/6/2017, 5:25 PM, "John Woodgate" <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not quite 'resistance', it's more a matter of different > priorities. US safety standards major on protection against fire because > they were originated by the insurance industry (Underwriters Laboratory) > for obvious financial reasons, while European safety standards major on > prevention of electric shock, because 230 V is more dangerous than 120 V > (but of course not more dangerous than 240 V!), and timber-framed buildings > are relatively rare in Europe. > > I guess that the applicable safety standard (IEC/EN 60335-2-xxx) > isn't strongly influenced by US experts (US may even have voted for it) and > thus doesn’t require a metal back panel, whereas the UL standard (which may > be the IEC standard with a modification or several) does require one. > > All the Sections of IEC 60335-2 are under continuous review as > technologies change, and the recent incidence of fires may well result in > significant changes. > > However, unlike the tumble dryer case, where numerous fires were > reported, this fridge-freezer fire is just one incident, and may be due to > a 'one-off' fault' or obstruction of the ventilation. Even the enquiry that > is being held may not be able to assign a definite cause. I suspect that > fridge fires are very much rarer than tumble-dryer fires, even if, to be > fair, the epidemic dryer fires are excluded. > > With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only > www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > > Sylvae in aeternum manent. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 25 June 2017 09:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PSES] Metal back of US fridge - Grenfell Tower Fire > > According to London Fire Brigade, they are calling for manufacturers > to use metal rather than cheaper plastic to make the backs of fridges in > order to protect flammable polyurethane insulation from components that > could cause a blaze. They added US fridges have metal back while the EU > has not regulated this requirement. 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