That works (as I indicated in a previous post, as long as the back panel is 
sufficiently fire-resistant and that is documented) UNTIL (IF) CENELEC actually 
withdraws the EN, in which case it no longer exists and cannot be mentioned in 
a DoC.

So what will CENELEC TC61 do? Does anyone know? Clearly it has to be revised, 
without waiting for the IEC contention to be resolved.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dürrer Bernd [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 21 July 2017 09:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PSES] AW: Harmonised standard withdrawn

Dear Scott,

The removal of the reference to EN 60335-2-24 from the OJEU means that 
compliance with this standard does not provide the presumption of conformity as 
defined in Article 12 of LVD. Actually, the nationally adopted versions of this 
standard are still valid (e.g. BS EN 60335-2-24, 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030236214). As IEC 
60335-2-24 is not listed as an international standard in the OJEU, I do not see 
any advantage in declaring CE compliance with the IEC version, especially as 
the objection raised by the UK against the use of highly flammable materials 
would also apply to fridges compliant with IEC 60335-2-24.

As risk analysis (preferably according to CENELEC Guide 32) is a mandatory part 
of the technical documentation (LVD, Annex III, Module A, 2.), the manufacturer 
is bound to consider the findings in UK's objection and to avoid the use of 
such materials even if they are compliant with the IEC/EN standard. Please be 
aware that the obligations of the manufacturer (LVD, Art. 6) also include the 
monitoring of products already in the market and to take corrective measures if 
it is found that a product presents a risk.

Regarding a new product, you may still refer to EN 60335-2-24, but it will not 
give you presumption of conformity. With the CE DoC you declare that your 
electrical equipment provides "a high level of protection of health and safety 
of persons, and of domestic animals and property" (LVD, Art. 1), using the 
standard as a technical means to demonstrate compliance, but considering also 
risks that are not adequately addressed in the standard.

Kind regards,

Bernd

Von: Wiseman, Josh UTC CCS [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Juli 2017 21:31
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn

Scott,

You can continue to use EN 60335-1 and reference IEC 60335-2-24 to show 
compliance.  Just because the EN is withdrawn doesn’t mean the IEC is no longer 
valid.  Knowing now about the plastic issue, maybe you do some other evaluation 
method for it to ensure it’s safe to be used in that application.

Josh Wiseman
Senior Compliance Engineer

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From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:38 AM
To: mailto:[email protected]
Subject: [External] [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn

The harmonised standard EN 60335-2-24 is removed from the harmonised standard 
list on OJEU.  The common compliance route of self-declaration of conformity to 
LVD using harmonised standard becomes lost.  What are other options to 
demonstrating the compliance with LVD?

Thanks and regards,

Scott
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