☺ Josh Wiseman Senior Compliance Engineer
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From: Wiseman, Josh UTC CCS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 July 2017 15:01 To: John Woodgate <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [External] RE: [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn This is what I was trying to get across in my previous post. Josh Wiseman Senior Compliance Engineer Taylor Company Joshua Wiseman Senior Compliance Engineer 750 N. 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OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jmwa.demon.co.uk_&d=DwMFaQ&c=ilBQI1lupc9Y65XwNblLtw&r=RyQ6Fr0g7aHfEQCV0zeIZ5rmc48Lfs-2bcf6A3GtyRc&m=wc4ylUC67Kk6poN8BpyMGPAVw5HruzRjwe1yv1Wh-tE&s=MOxe7Bf0YwtnHHCdWmTys96dCNBQVdbxiPfdW-unfp4&e=> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Wiseman, Josh UTC CCS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 July 2017 13:44 To: John Woodgate <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [External] RE: [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn I understand your point. I think the rest of the particular standard needs to be addressed in some way. There are labeling and manual requirements as well as safety of refrigeration circuits in this standard that aren’t anywhere else. IEC/EN 60335-2-75 references 2-24 for some of this information so as not to repeat it. 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OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jmwa.demon.co.uk_&d=DwMFaQ&c=ilBQI1lupc9Y65XwNblLtw&r=RyQ6Fr0g7aHfEQCV0zeIZ5rmc48Lfs-2bcf6A3GtyRc&m=O6kfZNWLTJF__BDbgUjuLxtWOOhNuG1FJNZD9z1Xebk&s=Mz_hzm2Ftvr_8fZ9vjUjl8g6OHTSw6QpZB9KEhHmapk&e=> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Wiseman, Josh UTC CCS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 July 2017 20:31 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn Scott, You can continue to use EN 60335-1 and reference IEC 60335-2-24 to show compliance. Just because the EN is withdrawn doesn’t mean the IEC is no longer valid. Knowing now about the plastic issue, maybe you do some other evaluation method for it to ensure it’s safe to be used in that application. Josh Wiseman Senior Compliance Engineer Taylor Company Joshua Wiseman Senior Compliance Engineer 750 N. 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