For some jurisdictions it simplifies environmental compliance to ensure prototypes are returned to the manufacturer for proper disposal and recycling.
Cheers, Gary Tornquist Microsoft Corp. The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Ted Eckert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Demo samples at stores Hello Scott, The exemptions for certain uses of prototypes are primarily exemptions from certification procedures. However, you still have some obligation to meet the essential requirements of the various Directives. You should monitor and control the use of these pre-certification prototypes to ensure that they do not present a risk of injury to users, interfere with radios and receivers or present some other hazard to the users or the public. If these devices are in a store, the employee safety and health at work regulations still apply and there may be issues of civil liability if the general public has access to the devices. https://osha.europa.eu/en/safety-and-health-legislation<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fosha.europa.eu%2Fen%2Fsafety-and-health-legislation&data=02%7C01%7Cgarytor%40microsoft.com%7Cb52484977b374af23dd508d55e9f4dfd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636518960666087715&sdata=MuOCUKhLflswhCAAEf4iM35ks%2FO6LFFmHt2VNTbdVDc%3D&reserved=0> The immunity requirements of the EMC Directive and RED may be an area with lesser implications. For example, if the device is damaged by ESD, you won’t have an end-user who is affected by losing the use of a product they have purchased. My recommendation is to work with your company’s legal staff or outside council familiar with this area of law before placing a product into a store for demonstration purposes if that product has not yet been tested and declared to the applicable Directives. Use for trade show or demonstration purposes should be reviewed carefully to ensure that you are complying with both the letter and the spirit of the law. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: John Allen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:55 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Demo samples at stores I don’t think the footnote was in the Blue Guide at the time (c2000) but that’s what I decided that we had to do, and to specify to trials teams (ours’ and the customers’), when we put prototype military equipment out for field trials – but sometimes it was difficult to persuade everyone (especially Project Manager’s “in a hurry”!) involved that such steps were “necessary”! It was/is really only “common sense” from both the trials and the involved-personnel perspectives because you can’t really field-trial or demonstrate equipment except under “realistic” conditions and with suitable personnel – but everyone then has a “duty of care” to ensure that neither themselves or anyone-, or anything-, else is put at undue risk. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Graevinghoff Andreas (ETAS/EHS2) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 January 2018 16:24 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Demo samples at stores Hi Scott, See footnote (57) in the Blue Guide regarding the controlled conditions: “The prototype must be safe and under complete control and supervision. Controlled conditions would mean expert operators, restrictions to public contact with the product, avoiding inappropriate interaction with other neighbouring products, etc.” Best regards, Andreas Graevinghoff From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 16:57 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Demo samples at stores According to clause 2.3 of Blue guide, placing on the market is considered not to take place on demo samples. The samples may be tested or tried by the store staff and the customers. 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