Thanks to all for the information. From our perspective, it would appear to be a huge step in the wrong direction. I am not sure of the motivation but I have a few ideas. We are moving forward by working with a representative in Ukraine who is working with a local test laboratory that wants us to send them EMC and Safety test reports. These documents plus a fist full of money will hopefully get the product into the hands of the customer eventually. Time will tell.
I have received many emails from people on this topic and I must pass on to the group that given a choice many companies would rather stop doing business in Ukraine than send detailed technical information about their products to an unknown test lab. Something real to consider. Thanks to everyone for the information. Brian On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:20 AM Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Brian, > > > > It depends on your product, the applicable regulation (electrical safety, > EMC, energy efficiency, RoHS-like environmental compliance), the applicable > standards, and the applicable national certification scheme. If you already > have CB reports for your product that are based on standards that have been > adopted as national standards in the Ukraine, then, from our experience, > local re-testing will not be necessary, and the existing CB report can be > provided as technical documentation. I do not know all the details of the > process and different certification schemes, as local certification is > handled by our Ukrainian subsidiary, and we only provide our technical > documentation to them. If you have a local subsidiary, importer or service > company in Ukraine, I propose to check with them what specifically is > required for your product. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > *Von:* Brian Kunde <[email protected]> > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 25. September 2020 17:23 > *An:* Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] Selling into the Ukraine > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > I know you mentioned "Local" certification body, is there any MRAs with > international test labs that we could get this done in the states before > shipping the product to the Ukraine? If not, is there likely to some in > the Future? I brought up this topic to the Lab we use and they know > nothing to very little about the Ukraine situation. > > > > Thanks. > > Brian > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 2:26 AM Dürrer Bernd <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > > The EAC marking scheme is the conformity assessment procedure for the > Eurasian Economic Union (http://www.eaeunion.org/?lang=en > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eaeunion.org%2F%3Flang%3Den&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9f46cc81cf90432eaf5d08d86166fe15%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637366442270356708&sdata=BZKgGepnmNL60eWD6dPz5fgler5BUvkGnboafUl3zvY%3D&reserved=0>), > but not for Ukraine. The Member-States of the Eurasian Economic Union are > the Republic of Armenia, the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of > Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic and the Russian Federation, but not > Ukraine. Ukraine has its own conformity assessment procedure with > regulations that are aligned with those of the European Union for CE > marking, but Ukraine requires a Declaration of Conformity according to its > own scheme that depending on the type of product involves a local > certification body, a local representative, marking of the product with the > Ukraine TR conformity mark ( > https://www.gma.trade/single-post/2017/11/24/Requirements-for-UA-TR-mark-application-in-Ukraine > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gma.trade%2Fsingle-post%2F2017%2F11%2F24%2FRequirements-for-UA-TR-mark-application-in-Ukraine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9f46cc81cf90432eaf5d08d86166fe15%7C39288a38ff19432c80111cd9d0dff445%7C0%7C0%7C637366442270356708&sdata=ibfgZk4iO3B5CrLXDbpG4NdZjgZJbEWnjGXys0koQj0%3D&reserved=0>), > and labels and instructions in Ukrainian language. As many of the national > standards are adopted from international IEC or EN standards, existing CB > reports may be used as evidence of conformity in the required technical > documentation. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > > > *Von:* MIKE SHERMAN <[email protected]> > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 22. September 2020 20:17 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] Selling into the Ukraine > > > > We've been EAC marking for a while, but I was not aware that the Ukraine > was part of the EAC marking scheme. > > > > For EAC marking: > > -There are a few additional pieces of information required in the manual > related to expected life, including when stored. > > -We are careful about what technical information we share. > > -We submit a Russian manual, plus Russian translations of the parts of our > CE technical file that we share. > > > > Contact me separately if you have questions about EAC marking. > > > > Mike Sherman > > Graco Inc. > > On 09/22/2020 12:40 PM Steve Brody <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Brian, > > > > One of my client's was going to sell into the Ukraine and was told they > needed an EAC mark on the product and that the CE was not valid in the > EAC. They did not proceed beyond that so I can not give you any further > guidance. > > > > You can check EAC 3rd parties on line, I think. I had this discussion > with UL as to why Ukraine, and the EAC, would not accept the CB Scheme > report, which is why the client went that route, but the answer was that it > still needed to go through an EAC 3rd party before they would issue a > mark. And that included a physical product review and factory inspection. > The unanswered question then was what does the CB report buy me - no > response. > > > > Client opted not to sell into the EAC. > > On 09/22/2020 12:53 PM Brian Kunde <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings All. > > > > All of a sudden we are having trouble with Ukraine. Before we even ship > our product to the customer, we are being contacted by unknown companies > who claim to be responsible to overlook the installation and perform > "complex protocols" on our product. They are asking for EMC and Safety > test reports among other R&D type of test data. Is this for real? > > > > Doing a Google search on this topic, it appears as though Ukraine should > accept our CE Marking and Declaration from Europe. However, they are > telling us that their laws changed and they no longer accept the CE > marking. > > > > What is going on? Is there a simple way to satisfy whatever the new > requirements are? > > > > I appreciate any help you can provide. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > The Other Brian > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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