Dear Bernd,

Although LVD and RED are modern directives, they are considered old
compared with MR issued in 2023.  Could the view on instructions in
electronic format be aligned all together one day?

Thanks and regards,

Scott


On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 13:27, Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Bernd,
>
> Thanks for your good references!  The LVD and RED do not decline the
> instructions in electronic format.  What about those instructions embedded
> in the ROM as the memory is not expensive as before?  For example, mobile
> phones, TVs, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 15:14, Dürrer Bernd <bernd.duer...@wilo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Amund,
>>
>>
>>
>> In the European Union, it depends on the Directive that is applicable for
>> your product. Both the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU 
>> (L_2014096EN.01035701.xml
>> (europa.eu)
>> <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0035#d1e32-371-1>,
>> Article 6, Point 7, Article 8, Point 4, and Article 9, Point 2) and the
>> Radio Directive 2014/53/EU (Consolidated TEXT: 32014L0053 — EN —
>> 27.12.2022 (europa.eu)
>> <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02014L0053-20221227#tocId84>,
>> Article 10, Point 8, Article 12, Point 4, and Article 13, Point 2) require
>> that manufacturers, importers, and distributors ensure that the product is
>> accompanied by instructions and safety information. Only new regulation
>> (EU) 2023/1230 that will replace Machinery Directive in January 2027 allows
>> to provide instructions in digital format (L_2023165EN.01000101.xml
>> (europa.eu)
>> <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32023R1230&qid=1688119698228#d1e1695-1-1>,
>> Article 10, Point 7).
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk>
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 13. August 2023 19:14
>> *An:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>> *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents
>> or via affixed QR
>>
>>
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>> No. I don't see so many EU documents as others here do, and it is very
>> difficult, as you know, to find a document when you don't know a document
>> title to look for. I am remembering information posted here quite a long
>> time ago.
>>
>> On 2023-08-13 17:56, Amund Westin wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I was thinking that a short paper guide would help. URL link is
>> important as you say, and QR are actually for advanced mobile users.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you seen this issue been discussed in “Blue Guide” or other EU
>> documents?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fra:* John Woodgate
>> *Sendt:* 13. august 2023 18:43
>> *Til:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>> *Emne:* Re: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed
>> QR
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe that in Europe, it is not allowed. Current practice seems to be
>> to include with the product a short  'User Guide' or similar, which
>> includes the safety information required by the relevant safety standard,
>> and the DOC(s), together with a text link of the URL of the full User
>> Manual. You could include a QR code in addition, but not instead of the
>> text link, because about 15 % of people don't have a smart phone or don't
>> know much about using it for anything but calls, text messages and the
>> camera.
>>
>> On 2023-08-13 16:57, Amund Westin wrote:
>>
>> To avoid a lot of paper use, it is possible to leave a short instruction
>> with the product to enter a web site or use affixed QR code (on product) to
>> get access to the User manual and other relevant documentation?
>>
>> Should such a symbol Link https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:grs:7000:3500
>>  also be attached when using QR code?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Amund
>>
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