Dear Scott, I agree with Charlie Blackham's conclusions on instructions in electronic format embedded in the device. I am not aware of any plans to amend LVD and RED to align their requirements on instructions with the new Machinery regulation. However, as the monetary and environmental costs due to extensive paper-based documentation has been identified as one of the problems of the old Machinery Directive (cf. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52021SC0082&rid=3<https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52021SC0082&rid=3>, p. 21 and 41ff.), I hope that there will be an initiative to introduce an option for digital documentation also in other directives and regulations.
Currently, you have to follow Charlie's advice to provide a short printed guide with the mandatory instructions and safety information. If you are lucky and all mandatory information for your product can be presented graphically, you may avoid to translate the document to the 24 official EU languages and the additional 3 languages of states in the European Economic Area (EEA) and the EU-Turkey Customs Union (DocsRoom - European Commission (europa.eu)<https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/38022>, p. 246). Kind regards, Bernd Von: Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. August 2023 08:24 An: Dürrer Bernd <bernd.duer...@wilo.com> Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Betreff: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. Dear Bernd, Although LVD and RED are modern directives, they are considered old compared with MR issued in 2023. Could the view on instructions in electronic format be aligned all together one day? Thanks and regards, Scott On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 13:27, Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com<mailto:scott...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Bernd, Thanks for your good references! The LVD and RED do not decline the instructions in electronic format. What about those instructions embedded in the ROM as the memory is not expensive as before? For example, mobile phones, TVs, etc. Regards, Scott On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 15:14, Dürrer Bernd <bernd.duer...@wilo.com<mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com>> wrote: Hi Amund, In the European Union, it depends on the Directive that is applicable for your product. Both the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU (L_2014096EN.01035701.xml (europa.eu)<https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0035#d1e32-371-1>, Article 6, Point 7, Article 8, Point 4, and Article 9, Point 2) and the Radio Directive 2014/53/EU (Consolidated TEXT: 32014L0053 - EN - 27.12.2022 (europa.eu)<https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02014L0053-20221227#tocId84>, Article 10, Point 8, Article 12, Point 4, and Article 13, Point 2) require that manufacturers, importers, and distributors ensure that the product is accompanied by instructions and safety information. Only new regulation (EU) 2023/1230 that will replace Machinery Directive in January 2027 allows to provide instructions in digital format (L_2023165EN.01000101.xml (europa.eu)<https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32023R1230&qid=1688119698228#d1e1695-1-1>, Article 10, Point 7). Kind regards, Bernd Von: John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk<mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. August 2023 19:14 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Betreff: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. No. I don't see so many EU documents as others here do, and it is very difficult, as you know, to find a document when you don't know a document title to look for. I am remembering information posted here quite a long time ago. On 2023-08-13 17:56, Amund Westin wrote: Yes, I was thinking that a short paper guide would help. URL link is important as you say, and QR are actually for advanced mobile users. Have you seen this issue been discussed in "Blue Guide" or other EU documents? Fra: John Woodgate Sendt: 13. august 2023 18:43 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Emne: Re: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR I believe that in Europe, it is not allowed. Current practice seems to be to include with the product a short 'User Guide' or similar, which includes the safety information required by the relevant safety standard, and the DOC(s), together with a text link of the URL of the full User Manual. You could include a QR code in addition, but not instead of the text link, because about 15 % of people don't have a smart phone or don't know much about using it for anything but calls, text messages and the camera. On 2023-08-13 16:57, Amund Westin wrote: To avoid a lot of paper use, it is possible to leave a short instruction with the product to enter a web site or use affixed QR code (on product) to get access to the User manual and other relevant documentation? 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