Thank you all for your responses. I'm hearing that the S.2 needle flame test is being performed regardless of the PIS level in the product. Is that what others are hearing as well?
Best regards, Brad [cid:c65ef7c4-1097-4bfe-ab10-0e0d845bac80] Brad Willard my pronouns: he/him/his Manager, Product Safety & Test Atlanta, GA Engineering Shared Services ZEBRA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION +1 678 462 7666 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.zebra.com<http://www.zebra.com/> ________________________________ From: Douglas Powell Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] China Flame Testing of ITE Certified Products? External Sender This message came from outside our organization. Please use caution before acting on the message. What I neglected to mention is, Even if a material is certified as V-0 (per UL 94), this alone is no longer accepted as proof of compliance for enclosures near PIS in China. The actual enclosure must pass the S.2 needle flame test as part of both initial certification and ongoing regulatory surveillance. ~Doug Douglas E Powell Founder & Principal Consultant Vertex Compliance Consulting<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vertex.ppsstudios.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltRyC0Dw0FG3Mmyd56ahml5w&r=5ZHWVDzrGbU3ySN96a0gomOtFxh8qabNblooc4DXss4&m=HNxgMNYHyIG8rGnq6mG3-yZ7g8Rws0JT8pQUtvU8FsPeUy861UL_dp1irEJC5aYK&s=LSKdJFPH8AyukIVJNxPGKqrLBQWHIiZ2EhHKxPkOquY&e=> (VertexCC) Laporte, Colorado, USA LinkedIn<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_realdougpowell_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltRyC0Dw0FG3Mmyd56ahml5w&r=5ZHWVDzrGbU3ySN96a0gomOtFxh8qabNblooc4DXss4&m=HNxgMNYHyIG8rGnq6mG3-yZ7g8Rws0JT8pQUtvU8FsPeUy861UL_dp1irEJC5aYK&s=J1nO7xltaN5tcq-5xjiTofNASaAcLvz3oUgC01554-M&e=> Colorado Registered Business | Entity ID: 20191778678 (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/95e83acfc7197ff4788780bd1e960648c23b836e.png?u=11509011] On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 11:21 AM Douglas Powell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It would seem so, A recent notice (dated June 21, 2024) from the State Administration for Market Regulation (SAMR) and relevant certification bodies in China states that during the 2024 annual spot checks, a product with a V-0 rated enclosure failed the S.2 needle flame test as required by GB 4943.1-2022 Section 6.4.8.4 (the Chinese harmonized standard based on IEC/UL 62368-1). In response, from June 13, 2024, all new and change applications involving fire protection enclosures (regardless of third-party V-0 certification) must undergo direct S.2 needle flame test verification during certification. This specifically applies when the enclosure’s isolation distance from a Potential Ignition Source (PIS) does not meet standard requirements and has not been otherwise verified by the S.2 method. Starting July 1, 2024, confirmation inspections for fire protection enclosures during post-certification factory inspections and supervisory sampling inspections (especially for C and D category factories) will include the S.2 needle flame test. If the enclosure fails, the product will be deemed non-compliant. See: https://cydxta.com/en/News/Details/724201533809364992<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cydxta.com_en_News_Details_724201533809364992&d=DwMFaQ&c=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltRyC0Dw0FG3Mmyd56ahml5w&r=5ZHWVDzrGbU3ySN96a0gomOtFxh8qabNblooc4DXss4&m=HNxgMNYHyIG8rGnq6mG3-yZ7g8Rws0JT8pQUtvU8FsPeUy861UL_dp1irEJC5aYK&s=NKIpDrj-iqsg74aZIdz7eY85OYm-t2c7RLTh4JK_xOU&e=> ~Doug Douglas E Powell Founder & Principal Consultant Vertex Compliance Consulting<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vertex.ppsstudios.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltRyC0Dw0FG3Mmyd56ahml5w&r=5ZHWVDzrGbU3ySN96a0gomOtFxh8qabNblooc4DXss4&m=HNxgMNYHyIG8rGnq6mG3-yZ7g8Rws0JT8pQUtvU8FsPeUy861UL_dp1irEJC5aYK&s=LSKdJFPH8AyukIVJNxPGKqrLBQWHIiZ2EhHKxPkOquY&e=> (VertexCC) Laporte, Colorado, USA LinkedIn<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_realdougpowell_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltRyC0Dw0FG3Mmyd56ahml5w&r=5ZHWVDzrGbU3ySN96a0gomOtFxh8qabNblooc4DXss4&m=HNxgMNYHyIG8rGnq6mG3-yZ7g8Rws0JT8pQUtvU8FsPeUy861UL_dp1irEJC5aYK&s=J1nO7xltaN5tcq-5xjiTofNASaAcLvz3oUgC01554-M&e=> Colorado Registered Business | Entity ID: 20191778678 (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) [cid:c669ef8f-4781-4a5e-96a9-498a7d456e75] On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 10:47 AM Willard, Bradley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hello PSES members, I'm reaching out to see if other members are hearing about or are experiencing the following: * China's Regulatory Surveillance Body, CNCA, is pulling samples of ITE products constructed with V-0 flame rated enclosures from the production line and performing a 60 second needle flame test per Annex S.2 of the 62368 standard? 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