Richard: No one is here with the intent to make you mad, deceive you, or coerce you into developing something. As near as I can determine, everyone has tried to be patient and caring. The trouble is, these dedicated people are trying to advance the EMC project, provide support, and document everything on their own time, donating every bit of it. That's how open source happens most of the time.
I'm not trying to deny you have frustrations, just trying to let you know you are chasing away the very people you need to succeed. I, too, when I first started trying to learn here got very frustrated. As I continued on, I even quit for a while. Then I realized it was not those people (who had already tried to help me tremendously - as they have you) that I was frustrated with, but my own progress. To solve that, I printed out each of the manuals, read them front to back at least 3 times, and practiced on little projects until I could remember at least a few of the tricks and commands. (I'm a slow learner as everyone on the EMC project probably knows). I still forget things and where they are located, and occasionally get reminded of that on the mailing list or chat lines. As far as your concern of running a 7i43 right out of the box, I can't and haven't found that claim anywhere. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never saw it. Actually, some good has come out of your ranting in the way of Ted Hyde's description which helped many of us anticipating the use of the Mesa boards, but I wouldn't expect any more progress, as you're beating up on your helpers. Please step back, see if you really want to pursue EMC and work with the developers and helpers, and then proceed accordingly. PS: I noticed you wanted the people of EMC to step back and take time to understand your problem. That is exactly what the EMC people are trying to say to you. Take the time to study your problem, reasearch all you can, and study the documents to understand what is going on. Then, if you politely show you have done your homework, they will be much more willing to pursue your problem. > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:26:38 -0300 > From: eyela...@gmail.com > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43 > > Maybe if you try to pay more attention and take some time to understand > what you read and realize noone asked for "YOUR PREFERENCE" (Quoted). > You could find (if you read) that i have explained about the way i > installed the system and than i did it the same way you did. > also i explained than it was working in the past but now not anymore, > so, there is no concern about anyone's preferences but a certain need of > support and that is why i asked for help trying to solve a rare issue. > > > I'm suscribed to this list for about a year and never found a > real(complete) answer for any issue. > I'am also a suscriber to several other lists, and always found someone > who solved, helped me to solve or at least pushed me on the right path, > but that's not the case here. (always bumping except for Ted Hyde who > made the config and etc... that made the brick to finally start showing > numbers) > > The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. > > Since my first inquiry i found exactly that... or at least that was the > case with my mesa board. some people may remember the past year's > adventures trying to make my 7i43 to at least say "i'm alive" > > I had to pay a "linuxer" to solve the strange phyton_opengl issue, wich > took him less than 5 minutes, so it shouldn't be something that bad. I > wonder how many time he needed to figure the solution on his mind. > > And, off course, about the "EVERYTHING_can_WORK_on_this_BOARD" (7i43) > and the fact that had no answer about the way to connect the motors thru > a freq. variator.... i had to pay another person, and off course, there > IS a WAY, and it can work correctly. > so, again: > > The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. > > Now... i ask myself... > > Why didn't i paid for a working solution based on windows from the > begining? > It could made me save almost a year of work in a project that is > lost. Yes... i lost the project because my customer got tired to > wait for something that WAS SUPPOSSED TO BE WORKING OUT OF THE BOX. > > Why did i believe > > 1. There was real support on the Linux world. > 2. There was a simple and cheap "do it yourself" solution bassed on > Linux and > 3. All that seemed to be so easy, was really easy. > > > I know there is a lot of people with functional machines, nicely done > retrofittings, etc... but... > Was all that applied to the industry, was all that applied to a real > productive environment? o was as it seems applied to hobbyst > environments where everything can work partially? > > > Sincerelly people... > > The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. > > > Thanks to everyone who tryed to help, thanks to everyone behind such a > great project, but i also think you need a lot more on support and > documentation. And there is a real need to avoid situations like the one > i had to live with a poorly supported(driver) board while it was > doccumented as being supported correctly and fully functional. > You need to understand that not everyone is a programmer, you need to > know that not everyone can operate Linux "partially" and that a "doit > yourself" has to be well accompanied with very well developed and very > clear documentation. > > Greetings to everyone and best regards. > > > > > > > El 01/07/2009 02:53 p.m., Stuart Stevenson escribió: > > Well Richard I was just reading your posts and questions and realizing > > your LOST situation thought I could HELP a little. Sorry for bothering > > you. Do NOT worry it will NOT happen again. > > thank you very much > > Stuart > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Richard Acosta<eyela...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> What has this anyhting to do about what i asked? > >> > >> > >> > >> El 25/06/2009 10:49 a.m., Stuart Stevenson escribió: > >> > >>> Gentlemen, > >>> My personal preference for installing EMC2 is as follows: > >>> > >>> install a minimum of 256 mb ram > >>> try to use the motherboard video (keep as simple as possible) > >>> in bios - set parallel port to epp (I use Jon Elson's boards and they > >>> require EPP mode) > >>> load Ubuntu (6.06 LTS or 8.04 LTS) (depends on computer hardware) (for my > >>> touch screens I find 6.06 is the easiest to configure) > >>> update Ubuntu version to latest of the version > >>> configure everything in Ubuntu as desired (especially touch screens) > >>> download and run the install.sh for EMC2 > >>> restart computer > >>> start EMC2 from the menu to make sure it will run > >>> stop EMC2 > >>> git (a version) (I prefer trunk) > >>> follow wiki instructions for build prep > >>> go to src directory and configure (I always configure to run in place) > >>> look through the configure results to make sure configure found everything > >>> necessary > >>> if configure did not find everything then install packages to resolve > >>> dependencies and run configure again > >>> when configure has found everything then run 'make' > >>> when make has completed successfully then run 'sudo make setuid' > >>> go to the top level directory of the version you installed > >>> run 'scripts/emc' > >>> EMC2 should start and run > >>> if your touch screen was working before the EMC2 install - it will work > >>> now > >>> until you have your machine starting and running reliably you need to > >>> start > >>> EMC2 in a terminal so you can see the error messages - after you have your > >>> machine running you can copy the menu icon to your desktop and change the > >>> launch path to your compile version and use your icon to start EMC2 > >>> hth > >>> Stuart > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
