On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 17:53 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote:
... snip
> Adding a pull-down resitor to OK1's emitter, followed by the 3 spare
> CMOS gates, wired in parallel, will provide the required push-pull drive
> to C1. (And remove the problem of wasted gates.)

Thanks Erik. I to study what posted, but it seems to put me back on the
right track.

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> > the input shorted to a supply. The .1uF C2 cap would show a ~2V spike
> > when I made the +5V DC connection, I get nothing with the .33uF C2.
> 
> I'm not sure that I follow the details of this, but the basic charge
> pump already checks for DC input (i.e. loss of oscillation), including
> short to either rail. If C1 is not actively driven high and low, then
> there is no output.

The circuit works properly to detect non-AC input. It's just when the +5
input is connected, there is a one pump charge that gets through which
is large enough to bring the output cap up a couple of volts in a spike.
I am concerned that when the machine power is turned on and there might
be a glitch on the output. A slightly larger output cap absorbs the
glitch, but cap also charges up well enough with real AC input (or more
than one pump in a row).
-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html
California, USA


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