On Monday, August 01, 2011 11:17:11 AM Kent A. Reed did opine:
> On 8/1/2011 12:04 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> > in answer to my earlier response to this thread which ended-
> >
> >> Were this my problem, at this point I'd dump* PCLinuxOS and install
> >> Ubuntu on your monitoring machine. I'd rather devote what time I have
> >> available to making things, but that's just me.
> >
> > Unforch, ubuntu does this differently, including the gnome default,
> > and a totally different security scheme. I have been running kde
> > since about a week after the initial 1.0 release at least a good
> > decade ago.
> >
> > Yes, I put up with gnome on ubuntu, usually long enough to find a
> > konsole& apt-get install kde. Finding the konsole can be a chore
> > though, gnome doesn't want its users to use a konsole, so every new
> > release seems to hide it one menu level deeper, and someplace that
> > makes even less sense than the last place they hid it. Hiding the
> > most powerful tool the computer has makes -1000 amount of sense to
> > me.
> >
> > This is the play box, and pclos has been the single most stable
> > install over the last year of any install I have ever done. No
> > crashes except in kde, which between 4.0 and 4.4 was a disaster, but
> > to make an omelet, one does have to break a few eggs. At 4.6.2, its
> > bulletproof.
>
> Well, Gene, I wouldn't dream of arguing the merits of different desktop
> environments. A systems-programmer friend of mine used to say "there's
> no accounting for taste."
>
> <old-fart reminiscence on>
>
> When I started poking at Unix, "glass" terminals were just beginning to
> replace the venerable Teletype. The only way we could multitask was to
> get artful with the background/foreground commands.
>
> When I got heavily involved in CAD data exchange standards starting in
> the 80s, I ended up with a lab containing one of every major workstation
> so I could run interoperability tests on different CAD software
> packages. Every vendor had its own interpretation of the X-Windows
> system and its own desktop and libraries---porting CAD software was a
> nightmare. It wasn't until the early 90s that the Common Open Software
> Environment initiative with its Common Desktop Environment (CDE) started
> to impose some order on the chaos. Of course, some vendors refused to
> join and those that did persisted in introducing proprietary features to
> their CDEs. Porting software was still painful.
>
> I bear the emotional scars. The only thing worse to me than a desktop
> environment is the lack of one.
>
> </ofro>
>
> I'm sure you know, Gene, but for the benefit of other list members who
> may not, Gnome, KDE, LXDE, CDE, etc., are the "desktop environment"
> components of a Unix/Linux installation that provide much of the look
> and feel of a particular X-Windows system (I'll refrain from mentioning
> other windowing systems). These days there is a fair amount of
> interoperability. One can obtain Ubuntu distributions with different
> default desktop environments (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, yada
> yada yada) or one can install more than one desktop environment on a
> single Ubuntu platform (as you do when you apt-get kde) and choose
> during the graphical login process which one to use during a session.
> After a while, most folks settle on just one as you have with KDE.
>
> I will amend my previous email to state that running the LiveCD of
> Kubuntu 10.04LTS on my Dell also gives a successful result. I can ssh to
> an emc box and run glxinfo, glxgears, emc/Axis, etc, remotely. Wish I
> had time to sort out how to achieve the same result with PCLinuxOS.
This is something I also took to the pclos forum. Its a common complaint
that so far no one has fixed that I know of. I have not tried the neuveau
(sp) driver since the nvidia driver is so well integrated. For everything
else, it Just Works(TM).
\Pissed of at video old fart rant mode on\
For a long time, every time ATI/AMD threw more code over the fence, I go
out and spend 75-100 on an ATI video card, but every time I do, that card I
just bought is obsolete and will not be supported by the time the code is
ported to linux. Heaven forbid they should support a card they sold by the
jillions.
Alex Deutcher at ATI has personally promised me support for the card I was
thinking of buying, /before/ I bought it, and then reneged twice now. Now
if I had bought the $450 card, probably, (but I'll be damned if I spend
more for a video card than for a motherboard) but no 'commodity' priced ati
card has ever worked to play the news sites videos or youtube stuff. I
intensely dislike nvidia, but they at least supply a monthly build that
Just Works(TM) with pclos.
In fact, the last ati card I bought, which they claimed did work well with
linux, was an XT-1600 in pci-e flavor that I bought to put in this box when
I built it. It would not even post in this $285 ASUS M2N SLI Deluxe
motherboard!
After that, I came to the conclusion that nvidia was the lessor of the two
evils even if they do have a 5+ year time bomb failure mode. Every video
card that has failed on me, one even taking the mobo with it, was an
nvidia. 2 of the 3 were in the emc box in fact but were also very old
cards salvaged from curb pickups and the failure modes there were
'graceful' as in digital noise from bad on board memory sort of appearance.
rant mode off
> Regards,
> Kent
>
> PS - I tend to use the Linux capability to open a virtual tty
> (ctrl-alt-F1/F8) when I want a command-line console. Yeah, ya gotta
> login but it gives great freedom.
Shush now, you'll let our secret out of the bag, I do that here too. ;-)
Cheers, gene
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-- Thomas Tusser
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