On Sat, 2011-11-05 at 14:09 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
> 2011/11/5 Slavko Kocjancic <[email protected]>:
> > Hello...
> >
> > I think the 1'st thing is to check what is wrong. Not to do something to
> > eliminate problem but not know what problem it is.
> 
> Yes, that is exactly my question - is there anything I can do to
> diagnose the cause of problem?

My experience seems to indicate:

_Always_ have a filter on VFD power inputs. They are not that expensive.
Proximity of a VFD to sensitive parts doesn't really indicate much. If
the hardware is not configured properly (and what is?), the VFD
interference can travel through metal frames, conduit, unrelated wires,
shielding, etcetera, and come out on the far side of the machine.
Sometimes, beads on the output wires can help. Most stepper and servo
drives are very similar to VFD's, so they may need power input filters,
or output beads too.

Most break-out-board inputs (and others) have very high impedance,
therefore are very susceptible to induced fields on the input wiring, so
even minor interference can show up at the input pin. Think of hitting
something hard like a bell. It doesn't absorb or convert the energy very
well so it rings until the energy gets converted to sound. Hitting dry
sand converts the all of the energy instantly, so it is hard to drive a
signal into it,let alone induce noise. I've found that plain buffer
inputs have very high impedance and often need some some sort of filter
(lowers impedance, adds sand) that matches the type of signal being
read. Opto-isolated inputs seem to have more impedance, so are not as
much of a problem. Switches and relays with real contacts go from very
high impedance to very low, and bounce, so most likely need filtering.
Most real machines (my opinion) use 12 Volts for control signals to help
push the noise into the OFF voltage region.

Others have more experience with this, but I have found that connecting
a short piece of wire on my oscilloscope probe picks up interference. I
can wave it around my machine and find the noisy spots. It seems some
amount noise is inevitable and normal, so expect to need to deal with
it, rather than eliminate it. I've heard an AM radio is also good for
scanning for interference. I recently set up HALscope to trigger on a
suspicious signal. After forcing a trigger on the scope to clear the
traces, I sat and watched HALscope until it triggered, then preesed stop
to keep the traces form getting written over. This indicated that this
signal was on the edge of ON and OFF. A resistor in the line (current
limit) and capacitor to ground (low impedance, sand, RC filter) cleared
it up.

-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html
California, USA


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