ER8 collets go down to 0.039" but that only makes it down to #61 
drill... darn it. I do have one of those pin vise things that mount in a 
collet and will hold a #80 bit but it is a cheap one. Are you drilling 
by hand with the #72 bit?

John


On 10/30/2012 9:12 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:50:06 John Thornton did opine:
>
>> Another reason is collet holders are much shorter than a drill chuck and
>> on Z challenged machines like my BP switching between an end mill holder
>> an a drill chuck is not always a practical thing... but at $200 for a
>> set of collets it will be out of the range of many home shop machinists.
>> I do have a jacobs chuck for my BP but don't use it.
>>
>> John
>>
> I have similar problems with my little toy mill.  The average, I can buy it
> at Lowes, replacement chuck cannot reliably mount or hold the drills I use
> which can go as small as #72's.  If I ever seriously damage the chinese
> Horse brand chuck that came with the mill, I'll be out of business for
> drills under 1/16".  And its runout leaves a lot to be desired & getting
> worse.  I have to creep up on starting the hole and give it time to self-
> center, if it will, depends on the work material. copper plated pcb's are
> usually ok, TSC's grade of steel rod for a BP nipple gets very very pickity
> & needs wholesale qty's of the chosen bit size because that dulls them
> rapidly.  And I've not found anyone who will sell me carbide #68's in ten
> packs w/o a 3 digit price yet. :(
>
> For this sort of work, I seriously need an old 1/4" chuck from a 50 yo
> electric hand drill, but it still drills holes & I hate to tear up
> something that actually still works after all this time. :)
>
>> On 10/30/2012 7:31 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>>> On 30.10.12 06:15, John Thornton wrote:
>>>> I don't use a drill chuck on any of my mills, I've been told ER
>>>> collets are much better and that is what I use.
>>> Can't disagree a lot, for milling, anyway. IIRC, it was in a Tormach
>>> document that I read a note similar to this:
>>>
>>> Drill Chucks:
>>>      Using a drill chuck to hold a tool used for side cutting is
>>>      dangerous, though educational and often expensive. A Jacobs taper
>>>      is _not_ designed for lateral loads, so vibration and side loads
>>>      generally shake the drill chuck off its mount. As the spinning
>>>      mass dissipates its kinetic energy, the flailing cutting edges
>>>      shred any flesh or other vulnerable material in its path. Drill
>>>      chucks are only to be used with axial forces, i.e. drilling.
>>>
>>> It's now one of my MOTD entries, so once in a while my wetware RAM is
>>> refreshed.
>>>
>>> I'd hate to buy a collet for every drill size I might use.
> Amen on that!  Not to mention that for my #2 morse spindle, collets under
> 1/8" suddenly are made from unobtainium.
>   
>>> Erik
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