On Wednesday 18 December 2013 01:16:47 John Alexander Stewart did opine:

> Hi Gene - by:
> 
> John:  You need finer grained control than an index generator will ever
> 
> > allow if you ever intend to use the G33.1 or G76 thread cutting on the
> > lathe, and once I had that working, I don't know why I ever considered
> > not doing it.
> 
> I presume you mean the one pulse per rev that Mach users seem to be
> stuck with.

Yes, poor things.
 
> Code for encoder wheel came through, by the way. I did measure the
> spindle diameter (not by lathe right now) so can not comment on how
> well it'll fit with your GCode.
> 
> The Emco (Austrian, Enco is Asian) will be running with a 3 phase motor
> and inverter - already here, just waiting to be installed. The inverter
> takes 0-10v for the spindle - so that's good.

Whereas I took the cheap way out and bought a 1.5hp treadmill motor off 
fleabay, controller and all < $100 bill.  But 2 things wrong with the 
controller, starting with its being an scr model so it hummed to beat the 
band at medium speeds, plus I blew two of the darned things with accidental 
shorts while first assembling it.  In the end I wound up buying a hexfet 
based controller, 25 amp rated from Empire in Wisconsin, around $150, runs 
dead silent and has almost 300% the capacity this motor needs.

Then because the motor is bigger, it of course wouldn't fit in the pocket 
under the bed where the 200 watter was.  So I made a jackshaft assembly 
that sat in the old motors position, using a new but same teeth timing 
pulley in the same location as the OEM motor would have held it, but used a 
3" poly-groove pulley on the other end that the 1" pulley on the new motor 
drove, so I had a 3/1 step down to the original backgear equipt head.  The 
tread mill motor can easily muster up 10+ grand at  about 9.5 volts into 
the controller, so I am presently setup for about 2k max revs at the 
spindle nose, with enough torque to turn the house around.  Max volts from 
the pwm converter is about 8 volts so even at that speed, the servo speed 
control is very strong.

Where before I was out of torque pulling a 3 thou by 2 thou chip off a 
piece of 3/4" cold roll in a 4" chuck it now has a much better built 5" 4 
jaw, and I can now pull a 10x10 chip off of a 2" diameter piece of steel.  
At speeds that have the inserts edge itself dull red.  The other half of 
that is the strength of the gears in the head, particularly the hub 
keyways, so I expect to be looking for better gears if I make a habit of 
that big a cut too often. :(

By the time I was done, with a suitable suicide braking setup to be able to 
run the g33.1 in peck cycle, I expect I have the cost of your 3 phase motor 
and its inverter in it.  And my .hal file is over 1200 lines!  The hand 
made box on the rear of the lathe to contain all that just kept growing, 
but its not in the way so its a shrug, it keeps the swarf out of the 
electrics.  That motor is very quiet, all you can hear at 10k shaft revs is 
the air from the fan cast as part of the pulley.  The Z stepper setup is 
far noisier as it has the clearances of a 2/1 spur gear stepdown to drive 
the 16x5mm ball screw.  Thats a major clatter maker as both gears are from 
a metal gear change gear kit.  Someday I'll put a much quieter timing belt 
setup on it, but the gears are what I had on hand, just needed bore 
machining for some home made taperlock hubs.

> This is all interesting! Thank you - John A. Stewart
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