On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Jon Elson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 01/29/2014 04:04 AM, Jeshua Lacock wrote:
>>> they have a very affordable size 23 brushless motor, the
>>> KL23BLS115, good for 180 Oz-In (but that is a RUNNING
>>> rating, not a standstill rating).  $52 without encoder.
>>> You can get a good encoder with index from Digi-Key
>>> for about $38.  I have found this motor to work quite well
>>> with my servo amps and our Universal PWM Controller.
>> Hi Jon,
>> 
>> Interesting - yeah works out to around the same price and would be a 
>> infinity better set up.
> Well, checking on Automation Tech, the same motor is listed at
> $78, I think.  So, I don't know if Keling will honor the $52 price
> still on the Keling web site.  The keling site may now be a zombie
> web site with nobody servicing the orders.
> I notice Lin Engineering seems to have the exact same
> motors, but they don't show prices online.
>> Could I use the PWM Servo Amplifier to drive all 4 axes?
> One brushless PWM servo amp will drive each motor, so for 4 axes, you'd
> need 4 servo amps.

I see. That would pretty much be a deal breaker as just the power supply alone 
for 5 axes would be $750.

Could I use something else (not that I don't think its not worth it - I just 
don't have the budget). Can I use toroidal or switching power supply (even if 
it may mean going with brushed motors)? Or perhaps this driver:

http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23/dc-brushless-driver-for-kl23bls-115
 

>> I have had good luck with the encoders Kelling sells - I love that they have 
>> adjustable CPM. What encoders do you like?
> That would be the AMT10x series.  They are certainly very
> affordable, but have some lag when the motor is accelerating.
> I found it a lot easier to tune the servo loop when using classic
> optical encoders without interpolation.

I remember you mentioning that now. Do you like U.S. Digital or what is your 
preference?

>> Anything else I need?  Where does one get the connectors for your PWM Panel?
> The connectors for the PWM controller are included.  We now supply
> 2-part pluggable screw-terminal connectors.

Oh nice!

>> One last question - how would you recommend going about adding a 5th axis? I 
>> could live with 4 axes for now manually setting a 5th axis (e.g. tilt - but 
>> 5 would be ideal).
> Two PWM controllers can be "daisy chained" off one parallel
> port, to go up to 8 axes.  You can use the extra channels
> for spindle encoder/speed control, jog pendant, etc.
> When you connect the additional controller, the driver
> automatically detects it and exports additional HAL pins.

Awesome! Do they each get their own serial port?


Best,

Jeshua Lacock
Founder/Engineer
3DTOPO Incorporated
<http://3DTOPO.com>
Phone: 208.462.4171


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