threading and feed/rev use 2 different things...

Threading uses:  (encoder position)
motion.spindle-revs IN FLOAT
For correct operation of spindle synchronized moves, this signal must be 
hooked to the position pin of the spindle encoder.

FPR uses:  (revolutions/second - encoder velocity)
motion.spindle-speed-in IN FLOAT
Actual spindle speed feedback in revolutions per second; used for G96 
(constant surface speed) and G95 (feed per revolution) modes.

So it is 2 different things - one could work without the other..

Sam





On 12/9/2014 8:59 AM, Karl Jacobs wrote:
> Yes, I know that limitation on the Beaglebone, so I do not expect to
> operate it with a higher resolution encoder (in fact, just one index
> mark fedding phase A and phase Z and using encoder.position-interpolated
> for spindle-revs). I would have the same doubts as you if the G76 and
> G33 did not work as expected. I am not really discussing the quality of
> threading (which might be better using a higher resolution encoder). My
> question was rather why G76 and G33 work fine and G95 not at all.
> Karl
>
>
> Am 09.12.2014 um 15:43 schrieb sam sokolik:
>> You are using the hal encoder counter?  On the beagle bone - are you not
>> limited to just a servo thread?  1khz?  So you are running all the
>> encoder functions in 1 thread.  I don't know how that would work very
>> well with the hal encoder counter to calculate velocity.
>>
>> You might want to look at the signal going to motion.spindle-speed-in.
>> It might not be what you are expecting.
>>
>> sam
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2014 8:23 AM, Karl Jacobs wrote:
>>> Thanks for checking, Sam, and good to know. I'll try sim on my version
>>> but I doubt it will be different to my "real world" version. I use the
>>> same low-passed spindle encoder velocity  on spindle-speed-in. I'll try
>>> to find the difference between the 2.7 and 2.8 code then (or the
>>> difference to the machinekit branch).
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> Am 09.12.2014 um 14:36 schrieb sam sokolik:
>>>> I don't have 2.7 here..  But in 2.8(master) lathe sim works as expected.
>>>>
>>>> This short program
>>>>
>>>> G95
>>>> s100m3
>>>> g1z4f.001
>>>> g0z0
>>>> m30
>>>>
>>>> Z moves to 4" at .1ipm (which seems right 100*.001=.1)
>>>> Changing the spindle speed changes the feed.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at hal in the lathe sim - the motion.spindle-speed-in is hooked
>>>> to a low-passed spindle encoder velocity.
>>>>
>>>> sam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/9/2014 6:38 AM, Karl Jacobs wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the info. If I disconnect spindle-speed-in, G76 and G33 stop
>>>>> working too, so they seem to need both signals somehow, but from what
>>>>> you say that still does not necessarily mean that G95 must work as well.
>>>>> I rather suspect the motion planner. Maybe someone can verify if G95
>>>>> works in the non-machinekit linuxcnc version? I will post to the
>>>>> machinekit list as well.
>>>>> Am 09.12.2014 um 12:24 schrieb andy pugh:
>>>>>> On 9 December 2014 at 08:53, Karl Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can rule out hardware problems of an encoder by using a hal siggen
>>>>>>> component to drive the hal encoder inputs (Phase A and Z, counter mode)
>>>>>>> to simulate the spindle speed signal. That must be working correctly
>>>>>>> because G76 and G33 both give the right result (my X and Z axis
>>>>>>> components drive a real lathe so I can watch and check the motions).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> G76 and G33 use motion.spindle-revs, and G95 uses motion.spindle-speed-in
>>>>>> So, it is possible to have a fully functional G76 and G33 but not have a
>>>>>> working G95.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is possible that this is due to the new motion planner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is also possible that this is a Machinekit-only problem. Machinekit 
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> now diverged considerably from LinuxCNC, and your query should probably 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> directed to the Machinekit mailing list.
>>>>>>
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