On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:52, andy pugh wrote:

> On 4 February 2015 at 10:32, Marcus Bowman
> <marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>> Sadly, it is now very difficult indeed to buy a really high spec quality 
>> tool of almost any sort, because, as customers, we have shot ourselves in 
>> the foot. If enough people buy cheap tools made of cheese, the manufacturers 
>> of quality high-spec tools will go out of business (as most of them have). 
>> But its part of an evolutionary process, and a cycle which goes on 
>> continually for all products.
> 
> It is interesting to read lathes.co.uk and see that there have always
> been many really quite cheap and nasty lathes out there as well as the
> nice ones. See for example http://www.lathes.co.uk/flexy/
> 
> Apparently you can still buy a brand new Monarch 10EE, but they cost
> $100k or thereabouts.
> 
> I suspect that the market for manual lathes of production
> manufacturing quality is now truly tiny.
> 
Yes; that's my impression too. The market for that kind of lathe now seems to 
be the 'fully refurbished' manual lathes at relatively breathtaking cost (very 
old refurbished Hardinge HLV-H lathes seem to fetch around the 10K GBP = 16K 
USD). Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find the 
industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to get 
more than just the one machine in the workspace), and the Tormach-sized lathes 
are few and far between (and also quite expensive at around 14.5K GBP = 22K USD 
in the UK, delivered, tax paid, but I shouldn't complain about that).

Marcus

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