I read the newspaper stories. They are accurate but only talk about package delivery using the normal post office reciprocity agreements that all post offices have with each other. Some packages are sent this way but if we are talking about small padded envelopes and boxes that fit on your hand from eBay resellers then they typically use the e-packet system. The packet system is much different from the "normal" system.
How would I know this. Just go on eBay can buy small parts and you see the shipping options. They can send it normal post or FedEx or e-packet and when you see the difference in price most will select e-packet. Most small packages are sent this way. The articles you liked to were correct but they just did not talk about this. The media does this a LOT, they report on something that is a small exception and leave off the normal case, because "normal" is not news. Another example is the US southern border. The media would have you think all the people who are here undocumented walked across the border. But a little math: 12M people came here over about 30 years. So roughly 400,000 per year. or about 1,100 people walking over the desert every DAY. That's nuts. Its thousands per YEAR not per DAY. Only the most ignorant and poor walked. It's clear that most did not walk. Truth is they took airplanes and drove in cars, mostly airplanes. But again the normal case is not news. The news reports news, They will rarely tell you the average woman has 2.1 kids but the one odd-ball case of that woman with 8 kids all at once stayed on the news for months. What this e-packet is, it's an attempt by China, the USPS and eBay to invent a more efficient and cheaper system. The USPS wanted their mail volume up and their costs down, eBay wants to close more sales and China is looking for economic activity. Its a win all around. For the Chinese seller it works just like it works for me here where I sell on eBay. I click a link and print a pre-filled out and pre-paid shipping table, slap it on the box and place it out for pickup. The US Post office gives me a discount. The same in China except he prints a label that has bar codes that "work" in both China and in the US. Data enters the USPO tracking system as soon as the label is printed I see the tracking number. The Chinese bar codes to show payment, the US based tracking bar codes and the customs declaration are ALL on the label the Chinese seller prints. That get sorted by US zip in China and bulk shipped. Typically the FIRST US based scan I see was done by the US mailman when he dropped it at the house. This means he got carrier route presorted mail that did not go through US mail sorting equipment. USPO and China Post share tracking data, so I can see the China Post scans. One Catch: This ONLY works for package sold over high volume on-line e-commerce because they can capture the data at point of sale. They know the weight and both postal codes and the value and have ability to broker the money and make large batch payments saving the post office from handling a few million $1 transactions. eBay can offer to do all this with no extra work any anyone because they have to capture this data anyways so it was just a matter on linking the USPO, China Post and eBay computers together. But, some small sellers have to go the old fashion way that your newspaper article talks about. They walk the package to China Post, pay for stamps and depend on the US/China reciprocal agreement. EVERY country looses money in reciprocal shipments but in theory they all agree to loose because it's better then trying to do the accounting. But it's need been fair. The country with the highest number of inbound packs looses the most. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, > > >>It pushes some of the > > manual work, except the "last mile delivery" onto the sender. > > Where do you get your e-packet info from? That's not accurate. > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/09/ > 12/the-postal-service-is-losing-millions-a-year-to- > help-you-buy-cheap-stuff-from-china/ > > http://www.practicalecommerce.com/columns/hand-painted- > ecommerce/86294-China-based-merchants-ship-to-U-S-for-free > > Dave > > On 9/26/2016 6:09 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Actually it is more sophisticated than that. The e-packet delivery > system > > is a deal between China and the US. The packages are collected and > sorted > > in china by US zip code and delivered to the final post office. The US > > post office skips the normal sorting and shipping and saves some money. > > Kind of the way bulk mail is sent. Also the US post office saves money > > because the tracking information data entry is done in China and sent to > > the US postal computer system electronically. It pushes some of the > > manual work, except the "last mile delivery" onto the sender. They > also > > send the packages in batches so that many packages are moved at once. > Like > > palletized fright. > > > > The down side is that it can take a few days, maybe two weeks for a batch > > to accumulate in China before it ships. Sometimes I luck out and get a > > package in three or four days, I guess because my package was the last > one > > to fill the pallet. > > > > it's air freight, not on a ship. > > > > There is a private company that does something like this in India. They > > place first class US domestic postage on packages then place the packages > > on pallets and ship them to the US where the pallets are busted up and > > dropped in the US mail. So Indian companies can ship to the US for > little > > more than the US domestic rate > > > > So really they CAN air freight a small padded envelope from China to > > California for a few cents because thousands of these are stuffed into > one > > box > > > > > > So > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:50 AM, andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 26 September 2016 at 09:20, Chris Albertson < > albertson.ch...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I can't see how the postage alone is that low. > >> > >> Because they only need to get it on a ship, and then it is delivered for > >> free (at a loss) by your national mail delivery co. > >> It's meant to be a mutual arrangement, but it is far from fair at the > >> moment. > >> > >> -- > >> atp > >> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > >> for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > >> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916 > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> ------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
