On Friday 07 October 2016 09:46:22 andy pugh wrote:

> On 7 October 2016 at 14:33, Gene Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >   It all gets complex fast when dealing with alu and
> > its instant oxidation.
>
> I have never found aluminium to be non-conductive.
>
Its a good conductor, IF you can achieve a 'gas tight' connection, AND 
maintain it for decades.  But because of cold flow when dis-similar 
temps expansions are encountered, the average life of a crimp sleeve 
connecting your houses copper sticking out of the weatherhead, to the 
alu cable from the transformer on that pole across the street, is, IF 
the crimp is well done, perhaps 30 years.  When I am on my roof for any 
reason, one of the things I always do is walk over and feel those 
crimped connections for heat buildup. Here, they are only 8 years old, 
but before that drop line was replaced because I had replaced a 60 amp 
service with a 200 in 2008, 2 of the 3 original connections made up in 
1974 had already failed, one burning completely in two in about 1997. 

I have also had the  nominally 7" long aluminum jumpers from the meter 
socket, thru the wall to the service in a closet on the other side of 
that wall, try to burn my house down in the middle of a -15F Nebraska 
night in February, with the buzzing of the arc in the closet waking me 
up.  That was the 2nd time that alu wire had tried to burn me out.

I will not knowingly buy a structure with aluminum wire under the roof. I 
cut the seal on the meter and fixed it with some copper that wasn't 
heavy enough, but then went to the transmitter and "borrowed" about 8" 
of 6 gage copper to fix it right the next day.  Cutting the meter seal 
is a felony in most locales, and its probably a good thing that I knew 
the head lineman at the power company, because when I called him to send 
somebody by and put a new seal on the meter, he had to have a good 
explanation as to why I cut it.  The tv station, kxne, was a uhf, and 
was their highest billing customer at about 225 kw load during operating 
hours. Klystron amplifiers are hungry beasts.

Alu, cut into with our cutting tools, oxidizes so rapidly behind the edge 
of the tool, that in .001 second, the film has achieved a 50 volt 
withstand. To make a connection, you must touch it with enough force to 
penetrate that oxide film.  Since alox is the 2nd hardest substance we 
know about, its cutting dulls our tools much faster than when cutting 
other non-ferrous materials.

> You could consider using one of these instead of a probe:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CO-AX-INDICATOR-MILLING-MACHINE-COAXIAL-COAX-0
>005-/300841418164

I've not figured out how one of those works.  The price seems decent 
though.

> Thought, actually, with a bit of neck-craning and possibly the use of
> a mirror you can centre a mill-spindle to a bore or round stock with a
> generic indicator and an improvised mount.

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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