https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c

these is the best (definitely better than HONDA Asimo) .... It's a shame
that google has sold boston dynamics .... hope for better robot project
(maybe a robot D-wave driven over QUIC or better  wifi bus ???...... )

bkt

2017-06-15 23:34 GMT+02:00 theman whosoldtheworld <bleachk...@gmail.com>:

> good ... about axis number is for 2 arm robot ... not planning to
> partecipate to darpa race (for these year ;)) ... the pose number is more
> hight then world axis ... and actual axis number in g code, for 2 arm robot
> (18 axis) I think is quite good, because most part of work is on pose flag
> not in g-code world axis position .... a connection from Mxx to
> customkins.c I think is quite good kinematics flag selector way .... any
> how good trik xx yy zz as axis label.
>
> For coordinated motion of 100 axis darpa robot humanoid, using the g-code
> would not be very reasonable as the robot should have a completely adaptive
> motion and very little repetitive behavior .... but if a creazy person
> would play around i think 5-10 little cpu with lcnc instance runnng and
> rt-ethernet bus connected may be the way. But these things seem a Marx
> brothers sketch.
>
> bkt
>
> 2017-06-15 20:34 GMT+02:00 Chris Albertson <albertson.ch...@gmail.com>:
>
>> You are right.  It takes 12 numbers to specify the location the
>> orientation
>> of two arms.  But in a typical robot there will be more than 12 axis.   If
>> you look at the stat of the art, there could be 100+ axis, see below.
>>
>>
>> With a typical robot the number of axis may not equal the number of
>> degrees
>> used to specify the pose.   For example it is common to specify an X,Y,Z
>> and orientation using six numbers but it very well might be there as 7
>> degrees (or more) of freedom in the arm.  It other words there would be an
>> infinite number of inverse kinematic solutions.   And a controller would
>> choose a plan to (say) minimize angular velocity, accelerations or toque
>> and to avoid collisions of (say) the elbow hitting nothing while moving
>> the
>> hand.    Typically you need extra axis to avoid collisions and "gimbal
>> locks" and such.
>>
>> Machine tools are mostly very simple.  We design the tool so all axis are
>> square so to move 1 inch in X we simply move the X motor one inch.  But a
>> robot's axis are likely NOT square and the axis do not meet at the origen
>> and the angles between the axis can change.
>>
>> Here is a great video of a toy-like 18 axis machine. But the control
>> software is very primitive and depends on human in the loop remote control
>> for path planning
>> https://youtu.be/aH07qF_bhgA?t=9s
>>
>> MUCH more sophisticated control is used here.  The machine is given only a
>> high level goal. "lift and cary the box" and is otherwise self directed
>> (notice the q-codes on the box and doors and laser scanner in the head.)
>> https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY?t=1m22s
>>
>> <https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY?t=1m22s>
>> H <https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY?t=1m22s>ow many axis are running here?
>> Between  jack and Sophia, maybe 100+  Jack is the car, sophia is in the
>> passenger seat. This is the current state of the art.  (Do NOT over
>> estimate sophia, she uses plenty of "dumb tricks" like responding with
>> "yes, I agree" when she has no clue what you just said)  In the end this
>> is
>> motion control. Many dozens of motors are running and being synchronized
>> https://youtu.be/vtX-qVUfCKI?t=40s
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:52 AM, andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 15 June 2017 at 17:36, Chris Albertson <albertson.ch...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > It depends on one's approach to a multi arm/leg robot.    You can
>> > > treat it as two 6 DOF arms or
>> > > as one 12 DOF assembly.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I can certainly imagine a 2-arm robot using XYZ and UVW to position two
>> > arms. Though then you run out of orientation angles for the UVW tool.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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