On Saturday 14 October 2017 16:53:47 John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Gene, > Original ELS project was started back in 2004. By end of 2005 I had > written a short article on it for Circuit Cellar Magazine that was > published in Nov 2006. Here's my signature which takes you to a very > old non-updated web page. There are links to the source code too. > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > http://www.autoartisans.com/ELS/ > Ph. 1 250 544 4950 > > Cheers > John > For a machinist used to turning cranks, that would be pretty impressive since it puts the preciseness into the lcd display. You said you ran 200 boards, any idea how many were actually built and put to use?
Today, the cost of quality switches would hurt the bank. I've had a heck of a time finding 2 durable pushbuttons for the apron of my Sheldon. But durable seems to be equated with being able to push it with a 16 lb maul. What they don't tell you is it takes at least a 4 pounder to push it at all. So while I'm using the superduty version, my thumbs can get bruised if I need to push them a lot. Nice project, thanks for the link. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: October-14-17 1:42 PM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > On Saturday 14 October 2017 16:14:20 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Hi Gene, > > > > > > When I developed the ELS I didn't have a CNC mill nor even an > > > indexing chuck. For me the primary motivation was that I had just > > > finished building the Gingery Lathe and hadn't built any of the > > > other tools to make gears for thread cutting and certainly wasn't > > > going to buy them. > > > > > > I also didn't want a PC, and at that time huge Glass Monitor, > > > keyboard and mouse all of which even surplus was still in the $500 > > > range plus MACH2 at the time being larger and taking up more space > > > than the lathe itself. > > > > On TLM it still takes more room than the lathe does. :) And on the > > micromill its about a tossup, half stacked on top of the mill. > > > > > So I set out to build a $150 ELS. That project exploded, as do so > > > many, with featuritus and the next thing you know I had two axis, > > > tapering etc. and a production run of 200 boards. > > > > URL plz? > > > > > At the time the design decision was that a 1000 line (4000 > > > quadrature) would be the maximum supported in order to get decent > > > closed loop performance. The PIC couldn't do it so even though > > > there's a menu entry for number of pulses per rev, it's locked in > > > at 1. > > > > > > Shortly after that the Olympic Rings Project came along (and > > > ballroom dancing with my wife) and the shop has been mostly > > > dormant other than building up the JGRO CNC router and the > > > occasional bit of this and that. > > > > Chuckle, and as has been said many many times, life gets in the way. > > But OTOH, this stuff does keep me out of the bars. :) And being > > diabetic, I can't do their hi alky stuff anyway, not without > > committing suicide, so I tell myself the one Miller64 I drink of an > > evening is all that I need. > > > > > Now I have the pieces for the Y axis on the mill. I've drawn out > > > the X with Alibre. Just doing some final checking on that and > > > then I'll make patterns. Still need to assemble the extra HP_UHU > > > drivers. I have Servo Gecko's but they can't handle the 105VDC > > > power supply and therefore can't run the 90V motors. > > > > Jon has a pwm driven servo amp, 20 amps at 160 volts, I'm using one > > on TLM to do a 1 hp treadmill for the spindle, and another to drive > > the 1 hp oem spindle on the G0704, but I thinks its brushes are > > about fini. > > > > > Also up to my ears in trying once again to relearn Altium (now > > > 2017 where my original copy was 2009) since that project was also > > > put onto the back burner. For almost 20 years I've been able to > > > work with Protel 99SE but the point has been reached where the > > > clients want the 3D Step files of the populated PC board. And the > > > newer Altium does so much more anyway. > > > > > > And I keep getting pulled into doing other interesting work-work > > > projects which generally tend to be all encompassing. > > > > Theres an echo in here. :) > > > > > But the SD card with MachineKit is plugged into a Beagle black Rev > > > B behind me here. I've added an ImageViewer, Glade, ksnapshot > > > which appears to need to be launched from the command line and > > > finally the Lazarus Pascal environment. > > > > > > Anyway, times have changed. Now the LCD displays are small and > > > light and there are all sorts of other things. That's why the > > > interest in the Beagle. Where LinuxCNC or MACH wasn't an option 15 > > > years ago after I finished the Gingery Lathe I now have a much > > > better outfitted shop, still no time, but it's time to revisit > > > stuff. > > > > And make it better... > > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > > > Sent: October-14-17 9:39 AM > > > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > > > > > On Saturday 14 October 2017 04:38:57 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > > As I recall, there was a specific comment that lathes were not > > > > > yet supported. For now I think I'll leave it alone because > > > > > even if it were supported there are so many things on my plate > > > > > that I wouldn't be able to test it anyway. Unfair to put > > > > > pressure on Charles or anyone to get something working and > > > > > then not use it. > > > > > > > > > > Going way back 10 years to when I first started the > > > > > E-Leadscrew project, cost was a factor to adding electronic > > > > > gearing. One of the costs was a decent quadrature encoder > > > > > with 250 lines to fit the spindle. Turns out the encoder disk > > > > > wasn't that expensive for the size spindle of the SB 10L. > > > > > Only about $70. But I'd have to buy 100. That put it out of > > > > > reach. > > > > > > > > John, who buys this stuff?, Make it, that IS what we do. I > > > > found some code in our wiki.linuxcnc.org for an optical > > > > interrupter style of encoder that I used for a model to make > > > > wheels for TLM, then added a slot because there was room for it, > > > > to the G0704's encoder wheel. I had put ball screws in the xy of > > > > my expanded micromill quite some time ago, so I had fair > > > > accuracy there, and I made the wheels for both TLM and the G0704 > > > > on the micromill. Bought a sheet of brass intended for door kick > > > > plates, and experimented with mill sizes, and slot spacings > > > > until the output was usable. IIRC the slots are actually wedge > > > > shaped. I put the index slot inside the circle of outside slots > > > > so the opto's could all be in a row on the board, even made the > > > > dbl sided pcb's on the micromill using eagle to generate the > > > > gcode. That way the center opto is the index. > > > > > > > > One of the later versions of that code for a smaller wheel is > > > > here: > > > > > > > > <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/Genes-os9-stf/LCNC/genes-enc > > > >oder .ngc> > > > > > > > > And thank Lester of course. > > > > > > > > Then for the Sheldon, I just put some (mumble)667's on an alu > > > > carving that matched the OD curve of the big 60 tooth bull gear, > > > > so I have 240 edges per rev to drive the rest of LCNC with. I > > > > gooped a screw to the side of the gear for an index pulse > > > > generator and put a 3rd 667 offset sideways to make that pulse. > > > > > > > > I'm retired, on SS and can't afford to buy that stuff, and 99% > > > > of the time I'd have to make adapters anyway, so why not just > > > > make the whole thing? Time is the one thing I usually have > > > > enough of as I've got till whenever I miss morning roll call for > > > > good. Thats my only deadline. > > > > > > > > > An alternative was an encoder driven by a toothed belt and > > > > > pulleys from the SB spindle. Again, cost of all the bits and > > > > > pieces for that came close to the target price for the ELS > > > > > which back then was only $150. This was all before Beagles > > > > > and Pi modules. > > > > > > > > I think I have less than $200 for raw material in all 3 encoders > > > > that I've made so far. > > > > > > > > > At this point if I did add a Beagle to do CNC on the lathe I'd > > > > > want to include the 4.3" touch screen cape and use a similar > > > > > interface that I have for the ELS. I just don't have a need > > > > > for a CNC lathe. > > > > > > > > CNC on the lathes, both of them, has been a net time saver for > > > > me once the code is written. It took about a week to write the > > > > code, and 10 lbs of scrap steel carved up for test fits, and a > > > > day to fine tune the cutting tool, to swap the about shot out > > > > and pitted 30-06 Ackley Improved barrel in old meat in the pot > > > > out for a fresh SS barrel in 6.5mm tight twist and chambered for > > > > a 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady's new 143 gr ELD-X bullet works well, > > > > in bad windy weather, the first group will put venison in the > > > > freezer on any day of the week, from any range I can guess > > > > accurately enough. And its a heck of a lot easier on an 83 yo > > > > shoulder than the Ackley-06 was. Old meat in the pot is a P-17 > > > > Enfield, with square 10 tpi threads. You can't buy a tool to > > > > carve that. And you don't want to write code thats carving up a > > > > $500 barrel, without being sure it fits by carving scrap > > > > shafting first. That was harder stuff than the barrel itself > > > > was. > > > > > > > > > And to be truthful, for the amount I use the lathe and the > > > > > number of metric threads I cut the ELS is the perfect > > > > > solution. Perhaps one day I'll find a project that requires > > > > > both Z and X to be powered and has to do more than what my ELS > > > > > does. But for now, the biggest issue with turning is pulling > > > > > out the spiral bits of metal as the lathe cuts. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. I know it's something that > > > > > should be followed up. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > > > > > > Sent: October-13-17 10:01 PM > > > > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/13/2017 05:13 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > > > > The desire for the Beagle with me was originally that with > > > > > > > LinuxCNC and > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > quadrature encoder on the spindle along with the hardware > > > > > > QEP handled by > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > PRU we'd have an awesome little lathe controller. Alas, > > > > > > that's the one > > > > > > > > > > thing in > > > > > > > > > > > MachineKit that hasn't been addressed yet. > > > > > > The PRU code by Charles Steinkuehler definitely supports > > > > > > encoders, if you tell it to instantiate one or more. > > > > > > I don't know the particulars, but they are in the PRU code. > > > > > > You might send Charles a message, he is VERY helpful. > > > > > > Once the encoder is instantiated, it is just a matter of > > > > > > hooking the right hal pins to the pins exported by the PRU > > > > > > driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >---- ---- ------ -- > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > > most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > > > > > > http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >---- ---- -------- Check out the vibrant tech community on one > > > > > of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > > > > > http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > -- > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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