I think I fell for the “beam is bending” idea too. It might be. The way to find out is to measure the beam center with the dial indicator and then measure the ends of the beam. It might be that the entire beam is moving
Is the gantry belt driven? Long belts can act like springs. The solution is wider belts. It is easy to see that a belt that is twice as wide is twice as stiff. I’d measure movement at the ends before any more thinking about the beam. As for modifying the beam, you have to model it. Guessing and “eyeball engineering” generally does not work well. Any fix is going to be very expensive. It is best to know it will work. Everything that you add to that beam also adds mass. Mass is what you want to get rid of. > On May 14, 2024, at 1:56 PM, gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote: > > On 5/14/24 14:34, Eric Keller wrote: >> Do something cheap because I'm not convinced it's the beam. I've done >> troubleshooting on things like this, and sometimes it's stiffness and >> sometimes it's not stiffness. But it really doesn't make sense that it >> would sit there and ring after a move, so you also may have some >> tuning to do. Possibly a notch filter? >> Eric Keller >> Boalsburg, Pennsylvania >> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 4:50 PM Todd Zuercher via Emc-users >> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone have any brilliant ideas to stiffen a woefully inadequate cross beam >>> on a gantry router without adding too much mass? What is there now is a 4" >>> x 8" rectangular 3/8" walled extrusion that is 145" long. >>> >>> Under normal jogging commands the two servos control the ends of this >>> gantry reasonably well, but while the axis is homing the thing shakes and >>> wobbles terribly bad. > > This, on 3rd or 4th read, sounds as if the two servo's are not in tune with > each other. Tuning servo's is not my strong suit, (and the only servo I had > was destroyed by the new autotune pid in linuxcnc, it found settings that mde > it ocillate and fried a $125 motor in around a minute. But this would be a > lot easier to synchronize if stepper/servo's were used. Rigged with a home > switch, maybe a prox switch since its non contact, with logic rigged so they > can back away from home and move in sync the rest of the day, getting sync is > running toward home until the switch trips on that end of the beam, run > toward home until both ends have tripped, call that home. From then until > powerdown, both motors getting the same step/dir signals will be in sync till > the powerdown. No fighting because the two servo's are not in an identical > state of tune. Hanpose has nema 34 and 42 motors of 12 NM, probably with more > torque and speeds than your servo's. The best description is that they just > work. And they use much less power than regular steppers to get the job done. > A diff you can see in the power bill if replacing burn your hand regular > steppers. > > How fast and how strong are the servo's you are using now? Gear ratio's too. > > Also If I put a dial indicator in the center of the bridge and hit the > bridge forward or backward it will flex and wobble enough to displace the > dial indicator +/-0.03 and it takes nearly a dozen wobbles to dampen it. But > on the ends the servo's only have a few thousandths of give. >>> >>> I'm less concerned about the actual stiffness and more worried about >>> dampening the wobble. >>> >>> Todd Zuercher >>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.<http://www.pgrahamdunn.com/index.php> >>> 630 Henry Street >>> Dalton, Ohio 44618 >>> Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emc-users mailing list >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> _______________________________________________ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
