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This is an excellent discussion — that has jogged my memory and overlaps with
many on this list (who created those memories). All of the Ctheory … didn’t
know those had anything to do with something called “digital media” — same with
Rhizome, — Realizing it in hindsight decades later makes me virtually jump out
of my chair and exclaim, "Wait, there is a boundary between the digital and
IRL? When did that happen?”
In 1989, I got on the Well — and was loving it as a follower — and the
free-floating feeling (like surfing) of not having to be “presenting” —
lurking, commenting, — I heard that Timothy Leary was on there (so that was
cool — maybe Ram Das too), but I cannot remember any of the text actually
appearing there … More importantly, in 1989, I was mostly excited that I could
for the first time find and check-out library books online from a room in our
shared house and that someone would deliver the library book to my mailbox!! I
dreamed that one day they could send me the entire book through the ETHER!
Then around the same time, I remember nettime and the eToys DoS attacks and
counter-attacks. Around that time, I read ‘bolo ‘bolo by the pseudonymous P.M.
— about an autonomous social networked system. All this to say that we backed
into this history and the most important aspects are so mundane that we can
hardly remember them — accessing libraries, for example. Online requests for
delivery … and the sense of a miniature -empyre in the interstitial spaces of a
smoldering crumbling ashen empire. . . . all delivered everywhere all at once.
On February 13, 2018 at 12:20:03 PM, Ana Valdés (agora...@gmail.com) wrote:
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Thank you Tim for your generous post and for sharing with me the love and the
passion for conversation and sharing.
I remember Ctheory well and Rhizome and Netthing and the Well and many others.
It was a kind of legendary time, when Hakim Bey wrote about TAZ (Temporary
Autonome Zones), when Brenda Laurel started with the support of Paul Allen
Purple Moon, computer games for girls. It was the time of computer wars with
the doctress Neutopia and hackers as Saint Just and early net artists as Allan
Sondheim one of the real old timers and Cornelia Frankl and Melinda and
Christina and yourself and Renate and so many others seeing the digital space
as a new canvas to experiment with...
As living in Sweden and teaching digital narrative and writing about the web am
very happy to have seen the beginning of Spotify Skype and Minecraft, three of
the most successful tools everyone uses today.
Love
Ana
tis 13 feb. 2018 kl. 13:19 skrev Timothy Conway Murray <t...@cornell.edu>:
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Hi, Ana,
I’m sorry that your post got cycled into my “clutter” box and I’ve just located
it. It’s so interesting and important that you flag the significance of early
listservs for their activism. Thanks ever so much for calling attention to the
history of Stumble Upon. Your own posts have so motivated and informed me over
the years.
Another parallel project from the early days of listservs and what I think of
as “digital discourse” is CTHEORY (ctheory.net) overseen by Arthur and
Marilouise Kroker. Although an electronic journal, the Kroker’s project served
very much as a forum for digital activism at the moment that listservs where
assembling themselves. A couple of years before Melinda founded –empyre-, I
collaborated with Arthur and Marilouise to co-curate CTHEORY MULTIMEDIA
(ctheorymultimedia.cornell.edu) as a means to providing a conceptual home for
activist pieces of internet art, addressing focused subjects such as “Tech
Flesh: The Promise and Perils of the Human Genome Project,” “Wired Ruins:
Digital Terror and Ethnic Paranoia,” and “Netnoise.”
I remember first talking with Melinda about –empyre- when she presented it at
ISEA Nagoya in 2002 and feeling empowered by how this interactive discursive
network could activate and extend the kind of uni-directional projects of
CTHEORY. Some of the most satisfying months I’ve moderated on –empyre- over
the years have brought together various international artists and digital
activists whose posts have enlivened the community. Your positive and
affirmative posts always have worked to bring together –empyreans- to think
collectively about the challenges and opportunities presented to us by digital
culture.
Ricardo and Patrick already have signaled nettime and other early listservs,
and it would be cool if others on the list could also post about their activist
work on listservs and social media.
Cheers,
Tim
Timothy Murray
Director, Cornell Council for the Arts and Curator, CCA Biennial
http://cca.cornell.edu
Curator, Rose Goldsen Archive of New Media Art
http://goldsen.library.cornell.edu <http://goldsen.library.cornell.edu/>
Professor of Comparative Literature and English
B-1 West Sibley Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
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