On Dec 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Ekaterina Gerasimova" <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 4 December 2013 14:08, William Jon McCann > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Ekaterina Gerasimova > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Jon, if you do end up moving any of the pages, please make sure to add > >> redirects. A number of other wiki pages have been moved recently and > >> because redirects were not added, this has left a lot of broken links > >> all over the internet. > > > > Which links are broken all over the internet? > > The ones that I have come across most often, which I fixed in the > appropriate places, were from Wikipedia articles to our application > "websites" and from references. > > There are also links to our wiki from user created resources such as > guides and blogposts, which we cannot fix, as well as semi-official > resources such as our own mailing lists and Bugzilla. > > It is possible to find external links to a page using search engines. > For example, using "link:<url>" syntax in Google. > > > Yes, I have added many > > redirects for the page moves. Each one I put in is weighed. I don't think it > > makes sense to put in a redirect for every single page that is moved for a > > few reasons. Firstly, since the wiki is pretty good at automatically finding > > the page when the original link is missing. So, when the page moves > > laterally or simply down, without changing the name the page suggestions are > > very good. > > The list of suggested pages that is provided by moinmoin is pretty > good, but I have nonetheless come across moved pages where the new > location was either not shown or was mixed in with many (30-50+) other > suggestions. In both cases, someone who is not familiar with the new > wiki structure would probably be quite lost. > > > Secondly, since it somewhat defeats the purpose of cleaning up > > the wiki if we duplicate every page we want to move. A redirect is a page. > > These pages show up in search and page listings - however they are not > > identified as redirects or differentiated from regular pages in any way. > > We already have a robots.txt[1] which tells search engines to not > index redirects. We would ideally have a 301 redirect on those pages, > but this may not be possible with moinmoin. > > [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/robots.txt > > >> This looks really bad and is probably quite > >> harmful to encouraging participation. > > > > Thank you for your support! I was really hoping that the weeks of effort > > I've been putting into this will have the intended effect. I was so worried > > for a while because everyone else seemed to be really positive about the > > work and thought that it would encourage participation by making things > > easier to find and generally giving off the impression that we care about > > our stuff - a well tended garden - broken windows theory and all that... I'm > > so glad you set us straight. Keep up the good work. > > I find your comments here sarcastic and rude, and therefore > unproductive and offensive. While I want to contribute, I will not > continue doing so if you maintain this tone.
+1 > > >> I have fixed some of those, but > >> this is very time consuming after the fact so it would be great if it > >> was possible to have some sort of script to do it automatically at the > >> point when pages are moved. > > > > As the person doing the work I can certainly attest to it being time > > consuming. I appreciate your help redirecting that one link today. > > (https://wiki.gnome.org/RecentChanges). Too bad we didn't have a script for > > you. > > If you look at my wiki edits from today, you will find that they are > completely unrelated to the above discussion in that I moved the page > and then added the redirect because I know that an email containing > that link went out today… but I think you're on to something good > here, we probably should just redirect all moved pages automatically > and then we wouldn't need a script at all. > _______________________________________________ > engagement-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
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